00:00:12 <arkiver> i just checked out threads.net. they return 404 to rate limit you
00:01:18 <arkiver> also POST requests :/
00:01:22 <fireonlive> -_______-
00:01:31 <fireonlive> fuck sake
00:01:52 <arkiver> yeah it's not looking great
00:02:01 <arkiver> Instagram with text instead of images
00:02:25 <arkiver> let's hope it does not become popular
00:02:40 <fireonlive> agreed
00:03:44 <Jake> for what it's worth, they claim they will eventually support "fediverse", so _maybe_ those APIs would be easy to access?
00:03:57 <arkiver> we'll see
00:04:02 <arkiver> i doubt they'll make it free somehow
00:04:07 <arkiver> i mean open
00:05:07 <tzt> FB created a Substack competitor in 2021 and closed it in 2022 this will probably be the same
00:05:08 <Jake> would be very facebook of them
00:05:33 <nicolas17> there's a lot of infighting in the fediverse about allowing vs not allowing Threads
00:05:41 <nicolas17> and I think this is Meta's goal
00:05:44 <arkiver> how popular is substack nowadays?
00:05:50 <arkiver> worth a continuous project?
00:06:04 <nicolas17> once everyone is fighting with everyone else and they destroy the fediverse, goal accomplished, close Threads
00:06:06 <Jake> i can't remember, did that ever get thrown into #// with the sitemaps?
00:06:23 <fireonlive> looks like you can upload photos and videos to it
00:06:37 <arkiver> nicolas17: oh yeah, i too think this is about meta throwing a community 1000x large than the largest community in the fediverse, and then practically taking over or claiming the fediverse
00:07:06 <nicolas17> arkiver: there's already instances threatening to defederate instances that *don't* block Threads
00:07:15 <fireonlive> there's also no "following" feed
00:07:34 <fireonlive> so even though say i follow whoever; i just see a stream of ????? people
00:07:37 <arkiver> nicolas17: sigh :/
00:07:58 <arkiver> to be honest i do get a little annoyed sometimes by these tons of little fights between instances
00:08:04 <fireonlive> nicolas17: serious-fucking-ly
00:08:07 <fireonlive> -_-
00:08:26 <fireonlive> if meta wanted fediverse posts they'd just go take them; not launch threads lol
00:08:41 <arkiver> it all fits into their metaverse idea
00:08:45 <arkiver> they just need control over it
00:08:57 <tzt> it has the same content rules as instagram so no nudity which means it will probably die a quick death
00:09:03 <arkiver> being the largest in a space practically means you have control
00:09:11 <arkiver> tzt: lol
00:09:27 <fireonlive> lol yep
00:09:32 <nicolas17> tzt: like how instagram is totally dead now?
00:09:45 <fireonlive> the feed is also 100% algo at the moment; probably due to waiting for people to onboard
00:09:48 <flashfire42> We dont archive fediverse stuff I dont think anymore as archiveteam. Or at least not mastodon
00:10:07 <fireonlive> so if you had rock hard dicks popping up and you didn't follow that person people would get mad™
00:10:21 <nicolas17> arkiver: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1285057 this was posted in infosec.exchange along with a poll, I think it's a "local-only post" so it's only visible on infosec.exchange (which is probably a good idea to avoid floods of fake votes)
00:10:26 <fireonlive> plus, like all the issues around porn
00:11:11 <fireonlive> i really need to use mastodon more
00:11:21 <fireonlive> love the idea; need a good client lol
00:11:31 <fireonlive> maybe whatver the ex tweetbot devs are making on ios
00:11:59 <fireonlive> mastodon blog on threads: https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
00:12:14 <nicolas17> fireonlive: Ivory? I think it's already in the appstore
00:12:32 <fireonlive> ah yes! that one
00:13:18 <fireonlive> do you know who made the post on infosec.ex?
00:13:52 <nicolas17> "According to the App Store listing for the Threads app, it collects a variety of data, which stands out in comparison to the Mastodon app, which collects none" this is misleading
00:13:56 <fireonlive> found it
00:14:07 <fireonlive> it read like him but the stupid thing was collapsed on the feed lol
00:14:39 <fireonlive> (not that I have an account there :D)
00:15:11 <nicolas17> https://mastodon.delroth.net/@delroth/110653703937022194
00:15:34 <nicolas17> "Mastodon reporting an empty list here is in fact very obviously wrong. When you log in to mastodon.social from the Mastodon app, you are sharing contact info (email address), identifiers, as well as usage data. So at the very least you should conclude Threads is doing a better job of informing its users re: privacy than Mastodon gGmbH is."
00:15:35 <arkiver> i see snowflake type IDs on threads
00:16:05 <fireonlive> hmm
00:16:07 <flashfire42> arkiver is snowflake a tech term or are you using the generic internet term?
00:16:11 <fireonlive> tech term
00:16:14 <tzt> it's instagram post IDs
00:16:22 <fireonlive> https://blog.twitter.com/engineering/en_us/a/2010/announcing-snowflake
00:16:31 <arkiver> tzt: any good source on instagram post IDs?
00:16:35 <arkiver> i see numeric IDs too
00:17:41 <arkiver> is there a search interface to threads?
00:18:34 <fireonlive> uhhh one sec
00:18:39 <tzt> hxxps://www.threads.net/t/CuVYy5Fvrrd
00:19:01 <fireonlive> yes
00:19:07 <arkiver> fireonlive: only with login?
00:19:08 <fireonlive> but it looks like it only finds accounts
00:19:12 <arkiver> hmm
00:19:23 <tzt> hxxps://www.instagram.com/p/CuVVaOMPNOT/
00:19:25 <fireonlive> yeah i can't seem to find a web version yet
00:20:04 <arkiver> tzt: i see
00:20:29 <fireonlive> at the bottom of that is interesting: "Get the Threads app to see more replies."
00:20:40 <fireonlive> so you're limited i guess
00:21:19 <tzt> its like instagram where the web version only shows ~10 comments on a post when signed out
00:21:23 <fireonlive> ah
00:21:57 <arkiver> pff
00:22:00 <fireonlive> "offensive words and phrases" are hidden by default
00:22:13 <fireonlive> "Hide replies that contain offensive words, phrases or emoji."
00:22:21 <fireonlive> can turn that off and also define your own block list
00:23:01 <fireonlive> https://help.instagram.com/171172755868764/?ref=share
00:23:07 <arkiver> does anyone have an example of a profile o threads with many posts?
00:23:16 <arkiver> something that would need scrolling
00:23:20 <fireonlive> is where it links to; so i guess they're learning on IG's infra
00:23:41 <fireonlive> lets see
00:24:22 <fireonlive> looks like some high profile people got early access; seeing posts from 2d ago from say gordon ramsay
00:25:09 <tzt> hxxps://www.threads.net/@mosseri/replies
00:26:13 <arkiver> tzt: so it either shows a lot of posts or a limited number and no pagination?
00:26:25 <nicolas17> https://notnow.dev/objects/5c57ce9a-a346-4b76-9d1a-85346762d7d5 l o l
00:27:08 <tzt> when you click to view a post it limits the number of replies viewable
00:27:10 <nicolas17> does anyone know if the app requires login?
00:27:19 <rktk> "Personal News — I’ve joined Meta to work on Threads, an app built by @instagram! Can’t wait to craft the unreleased and shape the digital future together!"
00:27:19 <fireonlive> it does
00:27:24 <rktk> the future is federated, it's already here
00:27:26 <arkiver> tzt: yeah to 11
00:27:29 <nicolas17> rktk: who?
00:27:34 <arkiver> and number of people that likes a post is limited to 100
00:27:35 <rktk> nicolas17, a reply on Threads.net
00:28:05 <nicolas17> fireonlive: and can I create an account?
00:28:15 <tzt> the most recent replies are shown first
00:28:17 <nicolas17> or is it invite only or instagram account only or some shit
00:28:18 <fireonlive> it's linked to your insta only account it seems
00:28:26 <fireonlive> yeah insta only
00:28:27 <rktk> I think it's country-restricted too right now?
00:28:27 <arkiver> yeah
00:28:31 <rktk> the UI looks like shit tbh
00:28:32 <arkiver> yes no EU
00:28:34 <nicolas17> I cannot be bothered to create an instagram account for this
00:28:36 <tzt> yeah it's only in the US and UK
00:28:37 <fireonlive> works in Canada
00:28:41 <JAA> https://www.programmableweb.com/ shut down on 2022-10-31: https://web.archive.org/web/20221010220313/https://www.programmableweb.com/news/programmableweb-being-retired/brief/2022/10/10
00:28:48 <rktk> nicolas17, it's just not worth it
00:28:51 <fireonlive> so the list isn't fully accurate i guess?
00:28:52 <JAA> Domain stopped resolving in the past couple days or so.
00:28:56 <rktk> nicolas17, make a mastodon account, you'll be fine
00:28:59 <nicolas17> rktk: oh I meant for research
00:29:02 <rktk> lol
00:29:02 <nicolas17> I'm not gonna *use* it
00:29:09 <nicolas17> I wanted to peek at the API and stuff
00:29:44 <fireonlive> JAA: :(
00:30:06 <fireonlive> i have a 'research' instagram account so uh
00:30:17 <fireonlive> i'm already bad dragoned by meta anyways
00:30:23 <fireonlive> so i figured i'd just take a little look
00:30:27 <nicolas17> the app doesn't even have a signup button? how did Apple allow this
00:30:44 <fireonlive> silly nicolas17
00:30:54 <fireonlive> the rules don't apply to netflix, meta, et
00:30:55 <fireonlive> c
00:31:32 <tzt> it's like instagram it uses POST requests to a GraphQL API for everything so it doesn't work in the WBM
00:32:50 <h2ibot> JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+376, /* 2022 */ Add ProgrammableWeb): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50126&oldid=50125
00:40:24 <nicolas17> arkiver: so the problem is the web app doesn't load all data, only the mobile apps do, and you want to know how that works?
00:40:37 <nicolas17> I *could* make a throwaway instagram account and sign up for threads and poke around in the app while capturing network traffic, but how much do we really care?
00:41:31 <fireonlive> it seems like you can't use threads - at this time - to follow non-threads users
00:41:47 <fireonlive> i.e. i can't pop in @bob⊙pe and follow him
00:42:00 <fireonlive> so it might just be one-way for now?
00:42:28 <nicolas17> I thought federation didn't work in *either* direction yet
00:43:58 <fireonlive> oh maybe
00:44:08 <fireonlive> i haen't tried reverse cowgirl yet
00:44:18 <nicolas17> o_o
00:44:20 <fireonlive> been all over the place
00:44:56 <flashfire42> damn you fireonlive i nearly drenched my monitor spitting out my drink when I read that
00:45:59 <fireonlive> yep no feds at least from my test instance for @zuck⊙hn
00:46:01 <fireonlive> fireonlive: :D
00:46:03 <fireonlive> oops
00:46:04 <fireonlive> flashfire42: :D
01:01:30 <nulldata> fireonlive - Wait, The Zuck is on a Hentai story site that federates?! :P
01:03:46 <fireonlive> :P
01:05:17 <nulldata> Hopefully no kids forget the "t" when going to threads.net :P
01:06:22 <fireonlive> xD
01:06:36 <fireonlive> it's like whitehouse.com vs whitehouse.gov back in the day
01:07:20 <fireonlive> ok it's now some weird betting site
01:07:24 <fireonlive> previously: porn site
01:49:11 <nulldata> lol hreads should become a federated Mastodon site for Hentai posts purely as a troll
03:26:23 <h2ibot> Wickedplayer494 edited Surrender at 20 (+120, Happy 7/5): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50127&oldid=50041
03:54:44 <arkiver> nickofnicks: if you could, i think it would be very interesting to poke around the mobile/app traffic of threads
04:26:15 <nicolas17> I created an instagram account with an email alias and it got instantly suspended by their fraud detection stuff, and now it wants my *phone number* to activate it
04:29:11 <imer> that sounds about right for big company social media nowadays
04:30:00 <imer> happened to me on twitter a few years back making an account for a project
04:30:48 <nicolas17> well on the off chance I want to make a proper account with my proper email address in the future, I wouldn't want it linked to the same phone number as the test account for API fuckery
04:30:55 <fireonlive> yeah i needed a new twitter account for $reason and it wouldn't even send the verification email even though it claimed it did
04:31:06 <fireonlive> had to use phone number :/
04:31:36 <nicolas17> it sent me the verification email
04:31:50 <nicolas17> I entered the code from the email, chose a username
04:31:55 <nicolas17> "your account has been suspended"
04:32:18 <nicolas17> to contest the suspension, it made me give my email *again*, and send me *another* code, and after entering that it wants my phone number
04:33:28 <fireonlive> ugh
05:49:52 <pokechu22> h2ibot seems to be dead in both #imgone and #mediaonfire (but not #codearchiver, though it doesn't actually do anything useful there to my understanding beyond responding to !help)
05:50:33 <that_lurker> might also be dead on #down-the-tube
05:51:22 <nicolas17> JAA: h2ibot dead
05:51:51 <pokechu22> Also dead on #gitgud. Very weird that it works on #codearchiver then
05:52:34 <nicolas17> okay, I tried to sign up for instagram on the mobile app instead (using a different email address) and that went even worse, it blocked me too but when I tried to "appeal" the block, I'm now stuck on a screen saying "an unexpected error occured"
05:52:47 <nicolas17> with a refresh button that doesn't actually do anything
05:53:42 <nicolas17> if I had a proper account, I would now be unable to use it
05:53:53 <nicolas17> because there is no way to logout or anything
05:57:14 <datechnoman> I believe the bot is run on a server on IA's network that arkiver_ runs
05:57:26 <datechnoman> So most likely related
06:02:12 <nicolas17> unbelievable that both instagram and threads have this dead-end error screen from which you can't even logout to login with another account
06:15:43 <nicolas17> welp idk how to try this without giving them my phone number
06:15:56 <nicolas17> unless someone wants to give me their throwaway account credentials :p
06:16:43 <fireonlive> thought you were going to ask for someone's phone number
06:16:45 <fireonlive> :p
06:21:58 <IDK> nicolas17: did u try those free phone numbers
06:22:04 <IDK> sms thing online
06:26:00 <that_lurker> prepaid sim should also work
06:26:52 <fireonlive> usually they detect voip numbers
06:36:30 <nicolas17> IDK: those are likely to be detected
06:36:39 <nicolas17> that_lurker: and those would need going Outside
06:38:49 <that_lurker> cant you order them from the internet? If you have a phone with esim support then there would be no wait time either
06:50:08 <nicolas17> that_lurker: I mean it's 3am
06:52:12 <that_lurker> nicolas17: thats when the best decisions and orders are made :P
06:56:53 <nicolas17> lmao I found a disposable phone number thing that works for free
06:57:11 <fireonlive> oh it let you work it w/ insta? nice
06:57:28 <nicolas17> and now it asks for a SELFIE HOLDING A PAPER WITH A VERIFICATION CODE
06:57:30 <nicolas17> I give up
06:57:38 <nicolas17> signing up for a bank needs less stuff
07:00:00 <fireonlive> ah right!
07:00:11 <fireonlive> i forgot the face verification stuff... so weird
07:00:23 <fireonlive> you using a vpn/tor/etc to sign up?
07:00:31 <nicolas17> nope
07:00:35 <fireonlive> weird
07:01:14 <nicolas17> maybe using something⊙nx was suspicious to them
07:01:28 <that_lurker> or the number was flagged
07:01:49 <nicolas17> that_lurker: I mean before that
07:02:01 <nicolas17> I signed up, gave email + name + password, no more info than that
07:02:18 <nicolas17> and they blocked the account because that was suspicious enough for them
07:02:27 <nicolas17> trying to unblock it, *then* they ask for a phone number
07:02:31 <that_lurker> ahh
07:03:32 <that_lurker> yeah that is a hassle and a half. I ran a script using my instagram account once and the millisecond it started they locked my account
07:04:29 <nicolas17> I refuse to do bank-grade KYC to sign up for instagram
08:07:38 <masterX244> they just want to force-extract more data. i pi-holed it out on my main computers (servers are exempt from that due to archival usage)
08:08:22 <masterX244> anything meta-owned is immediately treated as contagious, no usage anymore
08:12:04 <lottery248_test> greetings, am i able to seek help of archiving all my channel's videos?
08:52:46 <imer> should stick around a bit longer then :D
10:50:14 <OrIdow6> I listed about half of Wysp.ys a bit ago but the script crashed
10:58:41 <OrIdow6> Seems unauthenticated users can view "Mature: content: yes" posts but not list them
11:31:14 <MoeLarryShemp> Is there any indication that the Adult site of Gfycat, redgifs is also being discontinued?
11:31:37 <razul> I'll have to do some researching on redgifs first.
11:32:42 <razul> From what I'm seeing, redgifs is not property of gfycat any longer.
11:32:44 <razul> Gyfcat banned adult content in 2019 in the app and created a new service, called redgifs, for that. This service was later sold to another company.
11:33:05 <razul> So no worries.
11:34:47 <MoeLarryShemp> ah, ok wasn't sure as I've never used the adult site.
11:35:31 <razul> I understand. You are just looking out for those who do.
11:55:57 <that_lurker> https://grapevine.is/news/2023/07/05/earthquakes-rocking-reykjanes-pointing-to-another-eruption/
16:14:40 <JAA> For the record, h2ibot was never dead. It's just the messenger.
16:15:30 <JAA> pokechu22, nicolas17, that_lurker, datechnoman: ^
16:16:08 <JAA> But yeah, I bet all the scripts arkiver is running that use h2ibot for the IRC interactions died in the power outage.
16:18:12 <fireonlive> i tried to say :D
17:11:41 <TheTechRobo> h2ibot is amazing
17:11:58 <TheTechRobo> also why is it in this channel?
17:12:31 <JAA> Wiki edit announcements
17:12:37 <TheTechRobo> oh right
17:12:39 <TheTechRobo> forgot 'bout those
17:18:10 <h2ibot> TheTechRobo edited Mailman2 (+33, add bglug.ca): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50128&oldid=50123
17:21:27 <fireonlive> Google to introduce “Offerwall”: https://mastodon.social/@nixCraft/110667112869568493
17:22:32 <fireonlive> “ 50% of visitors will see the message after 4 page views. Once visitors watch an ad, they will be able to access the page and the rest of the site for the next 24 hours.” could get in the way maybe for some of you for some sites in the future? if it’s just JS then workaroundable but just a heads up
17:26:42 <rktk> For Offerwall does it sound like this applies to ANY site using adsense? as in, if you go to 4 different adsense sites then you'll be forced to see an ad?
17:26:58 <rktk> sounds like hell for CGNAT users
17:30:55 <fireonlive> it reads like it’s 4 per site (that has opted in)
17:31:32 <fireonlive> to start it’ll probably be easy to bypass
17:31:48 <fireonlive> bur we shall see… something to keep on the radar
17:32:26 <rktk> web 3.0 returns to web 1.0 roots
17:32:37 <rktk> forget this ad consumer capitalistic hell furture
18:35:00 <fireonlive> in the future everything is just activitypub and people fighting over defederation
18:45:24 <h2ibot> Entartet edited Deathwatch (+133, /* 2023 */ Skyblog says it will move the…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50129&oldid=50126
18:45:25 <h2ibot> Entartet created Skyrock (+21, Redirect to [[Skyblog]].): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Skyrock
19:14:20 <albertlarsan68> Has there been any interest in archiving Twitch?
19:15:03 <masterX244> #burnthetwitch
20:06:20 <fireonlive> 01:03:34 PM <+rss> Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]: https://cdn.sanity.io/files/ifn0l6bs/production/27109f01431939c8177d408d3c9848c3b46632cd.pdf → https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36621741
20:06:24 <fireonlive> something to watch
20:06:29 <fireonlive> the letter is.. something
20:09:41 <fireonlive> "Meta deliberately assigned those employees to develop, in a matter of months, Meta's copycat "Threads" app with the specific intent they use Twitter's trade secrets and other intellectual property in order to accelerate the development..."
20:09:48 <fireonlive> bruh it's literally a skin over instagram
20:11:04 <fireonlive> i hope this is dragged out in court and all sorts of juicy documents are released
20:24:58 <acemacgee> hey team
20:28:01 <fireonlive> yo
20:40:06 <nicolas17> fireonlive: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286612533757083648/1126613486789726358/F0YH3xBaQAAjs3L.jpg
20:40:56 <fireonlive> 🤭
20:50:50 <nulldata> 💩
20:52:16 <nulldata> Poop emoji would have been a better Tweet from Zuck lol
21:06:18 <Barto> *surprized pikachu face*
21:06:45 <fireonlive> free poop emojis: press⊙tc
21:06:50 <Barto> the guys elon fired went to meta and built their own twitter? How (un)surprizing!
21:06:52 <fireonlive> s/emojis/emoji/
23:17:33 <nulldata> https://www.semafor.com/article/07/06/2023/twitter-is-threatening-to-sue-meta-over-threads
23:17:49 <nulldata> '“No one on the Threads engineering team is a former Twitter employee — that’s just not a thing,” he said.'
23:53:18 <OrIdow6> Random dumb idea: have a project that uses llama.cpp or the like to look for shutdown notices on homepages
23:53:59 <arkiver> hah nice
23:54:02 <nicolas17> "building up a list of homepages" and "fetching them regularly" would take non-trivial work :P
23:54:07 <arkiver> run all front pages through rhat?
23:54:14 <arkiver> we can easily find them with #//
23:54:34 <arkiver> just running llama on them all seems very expensive
23:55:00 <thuban> OrIdow6: whatever happened to the pushshift thing you were doing?
23:55:25 <thuban> i mean... besides reddit neutering pushshift, i guess.
23:55:38 <nicolas17> grep -Pi 'shut.?down|shutting down|sunset|etc'
23:55:59 <arkiver> can llama handle different languages?
23:56:02 <thuban> at any rate my offer to label training/test data still stands
23:58:49 <rktk> controversial question but has betaarchive ever been backed up?
23:59:05 <rktk> A long time ago I saw the-eye had done some kind of copy, but I cannot find ANY evidence of this now. almost as if someone scrubbed it from the net...