01:29:05 <h2ibot> FireonLive edited Archiveteam:IRC (+8, comment out "down for several years" kiska's…): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50557&oldid=49678
01:31:38 <fireonlive> .....
01:32:05 <h2ibot> FireonLive edited Archiveteam:IRC (-1, lmao): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50558&oldid=50557
02:01:37 <pabs> should the YouTube wiki page be updated to mention yt-dlp instead of youtube-dl? https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/YouTube
02:03:11 <h2ibot> FireonLive edited Archiveteam:IRC (+425, topic guidelines scream test :p): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50559&oldid=50558
02:04:02 <fireonlive> i'd say yes to yt-dlp
02:05:11 <h2ibot> FireonLive edited Archiveteam:IRC (+12): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50560&oldid=50559
03:20:28 <upintheairsheep> If you haven't noticed, Google is starting an "inactive account policy" which deletes accounts automatically when a user is inactive, but THANKFULLY YouTube accounts are spared. Account deletions will begin new years eve of 2023. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/19/google-faces-criticism-of-plan-to-purge-inactive-accounts.html
03:20:29 <upintheairsheep> https://arstechnica.com/google/2023/05/googles-new-inactive-account-policy-wont-delete-years-of-youtube-videos/ (probably applies to accounts with youtube videos as a whole, or would mean to create skeleton youtube accounts with no google account assigned to it in the future)
03:22:25 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Me at the zoo (-20, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50561&oldid=50091
03:23:25 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Floraverse (-41, yt-dlp is reliable these days): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50562&oldid=43115
03:23:26 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited MS Paint Fan Adventures (+27, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50563&oldid=30407
03:24:10 <fireonlive> https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Me_at_the_zoo .....?
03:24:25 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Skillfeed (-5, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50564&oldid=47488
03:24:28 <fireonlive> wikiscope is very wide
03:24:33 <fireonlive> or was
03:25:25 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Video (-4, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50565&oldid=23699
03:25:54 <upintheairsheep> Permanent projects for Google Drive, Google Photos, Google Sites, Google Maps (reviews and street view contributions) and whatever other sites of Google come with a form of public user generated content should be considered.
03:26:25 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited NewsGrabber (+58, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50566&oldid=48847
03:26:26 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited TikTok (-10, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50567&oldid=49557
03:28:06 <fireonlive> upintheairsheep: yeah it's like someone woke up at google and was like 'wait how much data are we storing' or something
03:28:14 <fireonlive> rather unfortunate
03:28:31 <fireonlive> OrIdow6 was working on reviving #nearlylostmygoogles for google drive i believe
03:34:27 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Niconico (-99, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50568&oldid=50044
03:38:28 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited YouTube (-395, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50569&oldid=50430
03:40:28 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited UC Berkeley Course Captures (-32, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50570&oldid=47526
03:40:29 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Twitch.tv/Vinesauce (-4, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50571&oldid=48684
03:41:28 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Twitch.tv (-4, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50572&oldid=50450
03:44:28 <h2ibot> PaulWise edited Google Video Warroom (-97, yt-dlp): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50573&oldid=47665
03:48:34 <pabs> fireonlive: yeah, lots of youtube downloader references
03:48:50 <fireonlive> indeed!
03:50:25 <pabs> fixed them all, except for 1 page that gave me a 403 error when editing, and a few that were historical references to youtube-dl that should stay
03:50:55 <fireonlive> oh weird you'd get a 403
03:51:02 <fireonlive> but sweet, thanks :)
03:52:32 <pabs> was for https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Twitch.tv/Warroom
03:55:21 <fireonlive> hm yeah even a no changes edit just pops a 403
03:55:54 <fireonlive> or edit → show preview/show changes
05:45:07 <fireonlive> if there's a typo in that i'm going to be so mad
07:28:46 <Video> <pabs> "was for https://wiki.archiveteam..." <- according to that article, 3 TB costed $6,000?!?!?! when the fuck???
07:31:04 <imer> Video: "Dollar figures shown to illustrate cost of permanent archives. These are not actual values but are meant to represent simplified values and act as a sane budget. Dollars in USD at $2000 per TB estimate (not per TB of disk space alone). "
07:31:04 <imer> IA has to store stuff *forever*
07:31:34 <imer> that includes disk cost, servers, power, labour, replacement disks when the first ones fail etc
07:33:03 <Video> Oh I didn't see that part my bad
07:33:45 <imer> no worries :)
08:48:31 <h2ibot> Yts98 edited Zhihu (+122, Clean up formatting): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50574&oldid=50089
15:33:19 <LeGoupil> Could someone with archivebot permission save these small websites. Orange ISP hosting is shutting down early september and there are not maintained anymore. https://f6bva.pagesperso-orange.fr/ https://f6crp.pagesperso-orange.fr/ https://f5zv.pagesperso-orange.fr/ https://f6fco.pagesperso-orange.fr/ https://f1olj.pagesperso-orange.fr/  https://f8kfh.pagesperso-orange.fr/
15:34:30 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> No worries, someone said all Orange pages will be archived. I'm waiting the project is ready to start archiving too.
15:39:37 <erkinalp> wowturkey still going full blast since sunday evening
15:40:39 <erkinalp> arkiver: if we manage to finish the first round, is there a way to do an incremental archive _over_ the one that's going on now?
15:41:12 <erkinalp> to get the last week's posts, edits, images and ratings i mean
15:51:35 <JAA> erkinalp: Incremental archives are hard, and there is no generic tooling for that. So no, not really.
15:51:46 <JAA> By the way, is there a public source for the shutdown date?
15:52:55 <erkinalp> JAA: in wowturkey's case, we know the edit window is 24h and object IDs are sequential, which means exclude everything older than one day before the first archival's start; and yes, mods actually published that date
15:54:18 <JAA> Do you have a link?
15:54:47 <erkinalp> (in case of this archival, the incremental archive would need to cover anything posted on and after august 19 afternoon, considering the edit window limits)
15:55:48 <JAA> Yes, but 'every posted on X or later' isn't as easy as it might seem. Sure, we could grab all the post ID links, but we'd also want to refetch some of the topic pages (which may have old topic IDs).
15:56:04 <JAA> Hence no generic tooling, needs something custom.
15:57:03 <erkinalp> one of the mods, Uğuray, actually did announce (owning admin wasn't content with him publicly announcing the shutdown and doesn't want to transfer it to any other mod: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:QN_czbXRejQJ:wowturkey.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D9334812&cd=4&hl=tr&ct=clnk&gl=tr )
15:58:11 <erkinalp> JAA:in this website, those directory pages are index.phb, ttum.php and viewforum.php
15:58:18 <erkinalp> and profile page is profile.php
15:58:42 <erkinalp> *index.php, not index.phb
16:00:29 <erkinalp> as it's phpbb, we could try a phpbb-specific tool, with the caveat wowturkey.com not exposing some endpoints
16:01:49 <JAA> I think you misunderstand. We don't have a phpBB-specific tool that can do that. So we'd have to write something. Which, yes, is possible, but someone has to have the time to do it.
16:03:20 <erkinalp> oh i see
16:04:30 <erkinalp> in fact i could go backwards and warc-to-phpbb-mysql-db scraper
16:05:11 <erkinalp> which will indeed take a time to implement though
16:07:53 <h2ibot> JustAnotherArchivist edited Deathwatch (+324, /* 2023 */ Add wowTURKEY): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=50575&oldid=50553
16:17:51 <erkinalp> it's actually worse: some of the mods of wowturkey actually tried to convince Burç, the owner, to back from this decision, to no avail
16:33:27 <fireonlive> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVBnJtzEuI0 - "This video is set to unlisted pending an evaluation of its editorial accuracy - LS"
16:33:30 <fireonlive> it's begun
16:44:18 <fireonlive> (via DYA discord)
16:44:33 <fireonlive> also channel has been dumped in #down-the-tube already, just a heads up :)
19:32:01 <Shinzodragon> I’m looking for a Shinzo fanfic call “Glowing tears Glowing Blood”.
19:35:52 <pokechu22> https://archive.org/search?query=%22Glowing+tears+Glowing+Blood%22 ?
19:36:16 <pokechu22> ... oh, those are probably your comments on the items looking for that, which isn't helpful for you :P
20:33:47 <erkinalp> wowturkey archival still going full blast
20:35:00 <fireonlive> brrrrrrrrrrr
20:35:15 <erkinalp> haha
20:35:29 <erkinalp> i'll miss wowturkey tho
20:35:47 <erkinalp> it was announcing all those iett bus route changes faster than iett itself
20:36:15 <fireonlive> :(
20:52:51 <flashfire42> AntoninDelFabbro|m I have been working slowly on getting the orange stuff done but using archivebot and working on multiple things means unless we get a warrior project I wont get it all
20:54:08 <flashfire42> also those page perso ones dont actually resolve for me so I cant tell which is alive which isnt
20:55:45 <flashfire42> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/342f7f5fc9f88a7e/image.png
20:56:34 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> flashfire42: https://f6bva.pagesperso-orange.fr/ works for me
20:57:15 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> flashfire42: Idk, I want to help (non-technical, I just use the warrior in a VM) but… how ?
20:57:28 <flashfire42> and it works fine in archivebot but strangely not for me on my home connection. its an australian ISP. they arbitrarily choose what to block and what not to block. I have been working on saving the monsite stuff tho if thats of help
20:58:17 <flashfire42> It would require scripts to be written and we are probably cutting it too fine for another warrior project this month. If you can make a large list of the pagesperso-orange.fr sites tho we could probably do a !a <
20:58:55 <flashfire42> and yeah I should probably change from my default DNS but I dont like messing with things I dont fully understand
21:00:39 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> flashfire42: Have you tried configuring quad9.net DNS? (Won't change anything, despite contouring censorship)
21:04:10 <flashfire42> 203.0.178.191 hooray for Australian ISPs I dont honestly know how to change my dns settings and what else that will affect
21:05:12 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> <flashfire42> "and yeah I should probably..." <- Oh, ok
21:05:12 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> Well, as you wish. It's not fully easy to understand, but it have less impact than uBlock IMO haha
21:06:56 <flashfire42> https://explorer.ooni.org/m/20230823210553.320539_AU_webconnectivity_844f402fe4cdb03c just checked with ooniprobe
21:07:16 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> <flashfire42> "It would require scripts to be..." <- I have no idea of how to proceed haha
21:07:16 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> I have started a small regional list here https://antonin.one/pages-perso/ to warn and help website owners
21:07:52 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> flashfire42: Nice!
21:08:01 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> * In reply to @flashfire42:hackint.org
21:08:02 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> https://explorer.ooni.org/m/20230823210553.320539_AU_webconnectivity_844f402fe4cdb03c just checked with ooniprobe
21:08:02 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> Nice website
21:08:20 <flashfire42> Not nice XD. it means the website is blocked likely with DNS tampering. and yeah ooni probe is fascinating
21:09:16 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> Nice website* yes 😅 But not nice, AU gov'. :(
21:18:32 <thuban> arkiver (and/or other tracker admins): can we unpause telegram long enough to cover the death of yevgeny prigozhin? https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-08-23-23/h_0d0b1ba296d42856826f83cda491e9fa
21:21:30 <nicolas17> huh telegram has 0 todo?
21:45:34 <nstrom|m> Backlog got stashed when we put projects on hold for space reasons
21:46:56 <nicolas17> ahh
22:07:05 <pokechu22> flashfire42: FYI, changing your DNS is pretty easy - take a look at https://1.1.1.1/dns/#setup-instructions (though you'd want to use different IPs probably). It's also easy to revert; you can just change it back to automatic (or enter the old DNS servers)
22:08:37 <fireonlive> fwiw, archiveteam uses quad9 which appears to be a swis-based non-profit: https://www.quad9.net/service/service-addresses-and-features#unsec
22:08:48 <fireonlive> 9.9.9.10 and 149.112.112.10
22:09:30 <fireonlive> (and 2620:fe::10 2620:fe::fe:10)
22:10:09 <pokechu22> I personally have 8.8.8.8 (google) and 1.1.1.1 (cloudflare) as my primary and alternative DNS... which is probably a silly configuration, but it's caused me less problems than the ISP DNS did
22:10:55 <fireonlive> two providers is good for redundancy aiui
22:11:42 <flashfire42> So which ones should I use?
22:11:51 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> I agree with Quad9.
22:11:51 <AntoninDelFabbro|m> Cloudflare and Google are not my cup of tea, I love privacy
22:12:17 <flashfire42> and for DNS over HTTPS?
22:12:33 <flashfire42> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/98869e75da4e53a6/image.png
22:12:53 <fireonlive> that can be on
22:13:01 <fireonlive> i think auto template is ok?
22:14:41 <fireonlive> you can visit https://on.quad9.net/ and it'll tell you if you're using it
22:15:19 <fireonlive> there's also a longer way to see if windows itself is using it: https://support.quad9.net/hc/en-us/articles/360049913771-How-to-Confirm-You-re-Using-Quad9-Windows
22:15:30 <fireonlive> but the on.* should be easy enough
22:16:36 <flashfire42> https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/cec6690bc9a2c188/image.png I set it like this but its still saying I am not using it?
22:24:44 <fireonlive> could be chrome/your PC caching it maybe
22:24:55 <fireonlive> did you  turn on dns/https?
22:25:22 <flashfire42> yes
22:25:33 <flashfire42> Ah well will figure it out later
22:26:02 <fireonlive> :)
22:26:10 <fireonlive> try the on.* url again in a little bit
22:26:15 <fireonlive> see if it changes
22:26:25 <fireonlive> (saves you having to flush every little nook and cranny)
22:27:26 <fireonlive> for me the 'no answer' was cached from anywhere from 10-20 mins at the lowest level
23:17:52 <imer> thuban: telegram isn't paused afaik
23:18:47 <thuban> it's not now, but i was given to understand that it was earlier
23:55:45 <nicolas17> imer: I'm seeing 1 item/minute
23:56:10 <nicolas17> looks pretty paused to me :P
23:58:58 <imer> Think just backlog got stashed, but anything new is still running?
23:59:28 <JAA> Correct
23:59:33 <JAA> (As far as I know, anyway.)
23:59:42 <nicolas17> then there's very little "new"