04:22:53 from elsewhere "The TWiT podcast network is closing their office recording studio due to rising costs and lowering revenue. They are going to an office-less model too." 04:23:10 might be worth looking at if someone has time 04:45:44 gross, their rss feeds only go back like ten episodes 04:49:59 i can scrape asset urls from apple podcasts, but not tonight 05:25:50 Was there any independent archiving effort for Abload.de? I see there's a wiki article about it but no mention of such. Only learned it was taken offline today and that retroactively all images on existing archive.org crawls became blank due to the exclusion. 05:27:12 (tbh not sure how such an effort would have even worked seeing as all images had custom filenames and archive.org has no search index for finding asset URLs) 05:30:09 Domain filtered 05:33:40 flashfire42|m, hmm? 05:35:45 pabs - Yeah it's been posted before, however, there was a question regarding it that hasn't been answered. A few months ago someone was trying to archive TWiT but supposedly IA told them to stop due to copyright, even though the license seems to permit. 05:41:57 05/01/2024 10:16 PM Does anyone have any information on what "RIghts issue" the Internet Archive has in making old copies of the twit.tv podcasts available? All I can get from them is "we don't comment on rights issues" even though these are all released under a CC license... I was working on archiving everything TWiT has published and 05:41:58 got to about 7500 episodes 05:42:06 The license https://twit.tv/about/license 05:44:57 It's possible it could have been a troll that contacted IA to claim copyright as there are a number of trolls that seem to surround TWiT. However it could have just as well been Leo being Leo. 05:50:55 Doranwen: You may have said this before but thoughts on fanfiction.net? Seems like it's in an advanced state of administrative decay, see previously today\ 05:51:06 Any non-AT coverage? 06:07:25 nulldata: I salute your effort! I was just looking into this myself 06:20:20 It might be worth emailing Leo/TWiT to clear up the rights issue 06:22:53 actually maybe it was BenFranske's effort I meant to salute 06:31:10 but you cant just take back the license? 06:36:48 true, but I don't know to what extent Creative Commons licenses have been tested in court 06:42:10 It couldn't just be that IA wanted a reason to stop the mass uploading? As I remember a post by Jason Scott staffer on Reddit mentioning they didn't want to just be a mirror for Youtube (in the context of some users mass uploading entire channels). 06:43:08 yarrow: i feel trying to email them could also easily backfire. 06:43:43 Well, if the IA is rejecting uploads, can it get any worse? 06:45:13 Specular: i don't think that's the case with Twit. like 5000 hours of my favourite streamers' VODs in HD are the problem. that's orders of magnitude above audio files 06:45:57 ah, wasn't sure if they were the podcast vids or audio 06:45:58 which, in addition, seem to be actively threatened to disappear 06:46:36 ah, good point. i don't actually now if they have video recordings as well. only know them from actual podcast (meaning audio files downloaded via RSS feeds :)) 06:46:47 they have video too 06:47:39 601 episodes here, 11 years' worth: https://www.youtube.com/ThisWeekinTech 06:47:59 plus they have many shows 06:48:30 yeah right. i was just checking democracy now, for which they don't seem to upload full episodes in video 06:48:40 still a good amount though 06:49:24 i take my answer back then. i could imagine they have different standards for "just in case" VOD backups and threatened content, but i don't actually know 06:50:20 I think the issues were that people were just using tubeup on any random bullshit and also giant amounts 06:50:45 Flashfire42: that's what it sounded like in the talk i heard it from 06:59:05 found the timestamp: https://youtu.be/hfp731nb2-s?feature=shared&t=3605 07:01:12 If someone contacts Leo about the TWiT stuff and he says "fuck off", then we're just back where we started (where we are now). If he gives his blessing, then maybe the IA will let the audio be archived. 07:04:05 There is also this Reddit post from Jason on the same topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_do_not_mirror_youtube_on_the_internet/ 07:11:13 People are a bit out of whack when it comes to archiving video vs. audio. E.g., people will archive a YouTube channel of a podcast where it's just still image videos of the podcast but NOT archive the audio of the podcast. 07:16:49 Wonder if you could do "parity" on videos 07:16:50 all i see of reddit these days is "whoa there, partner" and then i usually just close it (: 07:17:48 Where you take some set of, say, 10 videos, assume that at most one is going to be deleted/messed up/whatever, and make a parity copy that combined with the rest can restore it 07:17:59 But in a way that's resistant to reencoding rather than bitwise 07:20:04 In the video c3manu linked, Jason said IA is mirror basically every podcast. I can only guess this refers to arkiver ingesting RSS feeds into the Wayback Machine? 07:20:16 *mirroring 07:21:23 Resistant to transcoding would I guess need some kind of visual hash. Though for strict file-based parity PAR2 format is something usable. 07:26:04 I don't think strict file continuity can be expected (tho there are certainly others who have more experience with Youtube than I do on this) 07:26:07 Binary 07:37:12 yarrow: there's probably plenty of people uploading podcasts to the internet archive 07:53:11 I've uploaded about 160 so far, all completely manually, and so far I've only found a handful that were already on there when I checked 07:54:02 People who are really obsessed with amateur digital archiving and data hoarding don't seem to be podcast superfans and podcast superfans generally don't know anything about amateur digital archiving 07:56:48 tbf there's not always a crossover of (local) hoarding and public archiving 08:00:32 would also be nice if IA had a way to hide an uploader's email publicly, for privacy 08:10:17 Specular: would probably make more work in dealing with abuse. 08:11:51 not on IA's end I meant just so it's not visible to website visitors (unless I'm missing some abuse scenario?) 08:13:55 though in the current implementation it's hard coded in the meta file so wouldn't really be some switch that could be retroactively changed without destructive edits 08:34:47 I like being able to contact the person if necessary 08:35:03 Also prevents account name changes from causing confusion 08:39:08 Specular: you're using your private email address for accounts like that? :) 08:40:21 yarrow: well, podcasts can be saved on two ends. there's IA directly, and there's the WBM. and i know ther URLs project (#//) is fetching a good bunch of feeds regularly 08:40:38 it can also make sense to keep things locally and only upload them once they disappear from the web 08:43:31 Nobody seems to be doing that, either. The podcasts just disappear and no one steps up to share them or upload them to archive.org 08:44:21 It's weird how obsessed people are with preserving anime, video games, live music, etc. There is an odd vacuum of enthusiasm or effort for podcasts, as far as I have been able to see 08:45:18 The Wayback Machine sucking down RSS feeds + mp3s is good for strict archiving but absolutely terrible for access 08:46:22 (in either case, IA should make it abundantly clear, imo) 08:47:27 There is also this Reddit post from Jason on the same topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/sq6wbq/please_do_not_mirror_youtube_on_the_internet/ 08:48:19 * Harzilein has been having a friendly "get a reddit account to cleanse your ip" message for the last month when accessing (old-)reddit with lynx through his dedicated hetzner server :/ 08:50:27 Here's a mirror of that Reddit thread if you can't access Reddit: https://archive.ph/00pWP 08:50:45 fireonlive: make what clear? 08:51:05 if you upload to IA your email will be published 08:51:17 (so use an email you don't mind being such) 08:51:40 yarrow: already checked through wayback machine were both the reddit link and the oldreddit variant are already present. funny enough availability api didn't find the archived version, had to go through a searx instance and click "cached". 08:51:48 I think the issue is some aren't aware of this to begin with (at least with some I've spoken with) 08:52:27 oh yeah, IA should totally warn you before you upload anything that you're about to doxx your email 08:52:31 indeed 08:53:04 99% of people who upload probably aren't aware and it's insane there's no warning 08:53:23 dunno if anyone knows anyone at IA who could fix that 09:35:32 probably want to ask in #internetarchive then 12:39:19 where can I look up the email? 12:39:35 also, does it update on my old uploads if I change the email on my account later? 12:49:00 kpcyrd: when you open an item an click "SHOW ALL" on the right, you can see it in the _meta.xml 12:49:13 or when you edit an item you uploaded, you see it in the "uploader" field 12:49:26 it does not seem like you can edit it 12:49:51 c3manu: thanks! 12:50:04 and "oh no /o\" 12:50:18 I don't think that flies in EU 12:53:11 If you change it, you have to email info@ to get it fixed on previously uploaded items IIRC. 13:29:13 Exorcism edited Bugzilla (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52717&oldid=52701 13:32:13 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52718&oldid=52706 13:33:13 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52719&oldid=52718 13:37:14 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-43, /* Not yet archived */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52720&oldid=52719 13:38:14 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+43): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52721&oldid=52720 13:39:14 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+38): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52722&oldid=52721 13:39:15 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-61, /* Not yet archived */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52723&oldid=52722 13:42:15 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52724&oldid=52723 13:43:15 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+51): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52725&oldid=52724 13:43:16 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-51, /* Not yet archived */): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52726&oldid=52725 13:45:16 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52727&oldid=52726 13:45:17 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52728&oldid=52727 13:59:18 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52729&oldid=52728 14:03:28 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52730&oldid=52729 14:05:19 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-57): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52731&oldid=52730 14:38:25 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-10): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52732&oldid=52731 14:47:26 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52733&oldid=52732 14:51:27 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-12): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52734&oldid=52733 15:03:29 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52735&oldid=52734 15:14:31 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52736&oldid=52735 15:16:31 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52737&oldid=52736 15:17:31 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-29): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52738&oldid=52737 15:18:31 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52739&oldid=52738 15:33:34 Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52740&oldid=52739 15:34:41 Exorcism edited Bugzilla (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52741&oldid=52717 15:59:32 I meant to do something else today, but instead I documented the "leaks your email" with an osint module that goes through archive.org uploads and records every email of every upload 🤷 16:02:03 (pacman -S sn0int || brew install sn0int) && sn0int pkg install kpcyrd/archive-org && sn0int add account archive.org some_user_name && sn0int run kpcyrd/archive-org && sn0int select emails 16:02:37 archiving the archiver archive 18:07:00 Exorcism edited Bugzilla (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52742&oldid=52741 18:11:00 Exorcism edited Bugzilla (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52743&oldid=52742 18:34:10 Is telegram infinite? It's been >300M todo for like half a year 19:02:55 probably not, but it doesn't stand still either :) 21:06:17 @Vokun definitely finite, but so are our resources 21:07:03 And it's been over 100M for half a year, the > 300M is like 6 weeks? 22:17:43 Exorcism edited Bugzilla (+0): https://wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52744&oldid=52743 22:39:14 Trump shot, perhaps worth archiving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C2RyORyX0U and related live tv coverage things? cc fireonlive that_lurker 22:55:11 oh what 22:55:27 yeah 23:02:25 Initially I thought trump had shot someone 23:02:38 https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-rally-shooting-live-updates.html 23:03:44 that's serious 23:04:48 saving chat and video, but a second grab is good always :-P 23:09:45 that_lurker++ 23:09:45 -eggdrop- [karma] 'that_lurker' now has 13 karma! 23:09:47 <3 23:18:58 i've already seen a meme about it 23:21:13 how could you miss meme?