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Terbiumicedice: reddit has blocked many VPN ASNs in the past months and only increasing
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icediceYeah, but never on old Reddit
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icediceThat's what threw me off
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icediceI only ever use old Reddit
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Terbiumthey've blocked my on old reddit as well
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nulldata
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JAA!tell HP_Archivist transfer.archivete.am/inline/BxU9C/harry-potter.png
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eggdrop[tell] ok, I'll tell HP_Archivist when they join next
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nukkeicedice: try a different location. sweden is banned but not e.g. finland, norway
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nukkeymmv
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nukkeholy shit nulldata photo... that's genuinely one of the most creative things I've seen lol.
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icediceYeah, I know
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icediceIt's based on the ASN
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icediceThe hosting provider and ASN that's used for Sweden is used for a bunch of European locations
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icediceI hate the enshittification of Reddit
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icediceSeems like Reddit also covered np.reddit.com and pay.reddit.com
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nukkethere was a pay.reddit.com one?! wtf π€’
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icediceYeah
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icediceI forgot what it was for exactly, but it had the old site layout
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JAAI'd assume for 'gold' and all the nonsense other thingies they added later?
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icedice"It's an old subdomain used to have HTTPS, but now it's obsolete, yet it sometimes appears, maybe due to old traffic on Google"
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nulldataI believe pay.reddit.com was used for making Reddit Gold payments and it forced HTTPS. Back when a lot of websites didn't have or use HTTPS by default.
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icedice
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nukkeyou had to PAY for HTTPS? wtf
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JAANo, it was a separate domain for making payments securely when the rest of it wasn't using HTTPS.
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JAAI think.
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icediceundelete.pullpush.io now says "Could not connect to Reddit
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icedice"
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icediceWorked fine a while ago
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icediceSo I'm guessing this change also hit them
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icediceAnd PullPush in general
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nicolas17nulldata: man I wouldn't want to be in Twitch's side here
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nicolas17streamers keep pushing the line on purpose
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nicolas17but it's so difficult to try to codify where the line is
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RyzUnsure if this is pointed out, but huh, from 103.230.141.12/finished - transfer.archivete.am/u31zO/firefox_2024-03-27_18-51-01.png
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eggdropinline (for browser viewing): transfer.archivete.am/inline/u31zO/firefox_2024-03-27_18-51-01.png
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nicolas17what about it
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RyzWhat are the chances of that
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nicolas17the "remaining"?
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RyzYeah o.o;
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fireonliveRyz: IP address instead of dns?
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RyzIt can be as archivebot.com/finished
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nicolas17why were you using the IP? :P
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fireonliveman i thought i was in #archivebot for a solid 4 mins
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fireonlivei was like it's unsually chatty
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nicolas17why does the #archivebot bot not use NOTICEs?
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fireonliveyou'd have to ask `hannahwhy`: ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot 8ce9860
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fireonlive
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fireonliveooh hannahwhy why
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Ryznicolas17, I more or less have it saved in my text files for quick deployment of links at the same time; I think it was before I realized there's a domain about it, but I guess kept it that way after all these years
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RyzI guess on the off-chance that the named domain gets knocked down somehow
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RyzYep, the archivebot.com website wasn't accessible for a brief moment earlier, while the other one is still usable
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fireonliveoh weird, dns issues perhaps?
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nulldataMaybe your browser was trying https? The ArchiveBot site doesn't respond to 443 for some reason.
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fireonlive
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fireonlivecan someone who's.... uh... clear headed lmk if this is just bs
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fireonlive>Vultr's new agreement requires its customers to fork over rights to our apps/software/data/anything hosted on the Vultr cloud platform. That goes way too far. No other datacenter company requires this.
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fireonlivepeople mad but it kinda looks like one of those like "facebook is allowed to transmit pictures on your behalf if you upload them to the service" penis covering things?
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fireonliveπΆβπ«οΈ
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nukkethere is no way this is legally enforceable. there was no notice of upcoming ToS changes afaik
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nicolas17fireonlive: no, this doesn't seem acceptable
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nukkethat alone would make it uneforceable even outside of the EU/GDPR region
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fireonlivehmm
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DigitalDragons"for purposes of providing the Services to you" though
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fireonliveapparently signing in has you agree to it or something?
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fireonlivesad if bad, was going to get a few thing from there
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nicolas17if it was just like facebook's "we're allowed to prepare derivative works of your content (generate thumbnails of your photos to serve them to users)" then every hosting service would need the same
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nicolas17fireonlive: they can't force you to agree when signing in, because if you disagree, how do you turn your servers off and cancel your account?
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fireonliveah yeah
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nicolas17looks like that's exactly what's happening to the OP
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nukkeyeah there's usually a notice before they do major ToS changes like this
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nicolas17"I've been trying to get them to at least let me access my account without agreeing to the new TOS so I can migrate out to another provider, but I'm now on day 5 of being locked out with no end in sight"
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fireonlive:|
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nukkethat way you can migrate data in case you/your legal team deems this change unacceptable
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nukke5 days is ridiculous, especially if e.g. they have (high) egress fees for large migrations
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nicolas17in that sense it doesn't even matter what the ToS change is or if it's enforceable etc
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nicolas17if they change the ToS and you disagree with it for whatever reason, *what do you do*?
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immibisIt doesn't matter because what can you do about it? Sue them for $0.001 of AI content income? Sue them for your account after they've already deleted your data for nonpayment? Keep paying and sue them for a refund of $10?
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immibisThe justice system doesn't actually deliver justice in most cases
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fireonliveVultr--
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eggdrop[karma] 'Vultr' now has -1 karma!
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immibisnic said it first
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fireonlive'commercialize the User Content' woop
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nicolas17"Just upload a bunch of Nintendo IP and then have Nintendo sue the shit out of them since they now are responsible for it."
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nulldataHmm later in the agreement vultr.com/legal/tos/#:~:text=(c)%20As%20between,under%20these%20Terms.
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nulldata> (c) As between You and Vultr, Vultr acknowledges that it claims no proprietary rights in or to Your Content. You hereby grant to Vultr a non-exclusive, worldwide and royalty-free license to copy, make derivative works, display, perform, use, broadcast and transmit on and via the Internet Your Content, solely for the benefit of You and to enable
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nulldataVultr to perform its obligations under these Terms.
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fireonlivehm
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nulldataI wonder if the User Content section of the agreement was meant more for user generated content you submit to their site such as comments and support tickets.
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nicolas17well as I said there's two separate issues here
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nicolas17one is the nature of the new terms, the other is that they didn't give advance notice and a way to login without agreeing so you can move your shit out if you disagree
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nicolas17they are somewhat orthogonal and independently fucked up
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nulldata"Last Modified: January 8, 2024" - apparently it's been like this for awhile too?
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DigitalDragonsidk this seems like pretty standard ass covering to me
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fireonlivenews.ycombinator.com/item?id=39847156 mentions a new CDN product
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nicolas17"Digital Ocean specifically limits this clause to uploads on their website (ie, for community articles, forum posts, etc), not for all hosted services (which would include virtual machines, databases, etc)"
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fireonlive
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nulldataThe 'summary' they provide at the side doesn't really match what they're saying in the section
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nulldata
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nulldata"you grant us permission to use your content as necessary to provide you with the Services." when the wording the agreement is way more than what is necessary to provide services.
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fireonlive:|
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fireonlivewtf they up to
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eggdrop[tell] HP_Archivist: [2024-03-28T01:18:21Z] <JAA> transfer.archivete.am/inline/BxU9C/harry-potter.png
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HP_ArchivistJAA RE: Potter Lmao
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JAA:-)
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nukke
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nukke
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nicolas17nukke: I want to see Ben Eater's reaction to this :3
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JAANeat indeed!
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katia
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katiavalkey was placeholderkv
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JAANice :-)
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nukkeHas anyone migrated to OpenTofu? Curious how that one is doing
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katiait works great nukke
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nukkeHave they diverged from upstream yet?
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katiayes
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nyanyimer: gonna continue the discussion here as its kinda getting a bit off topic
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nyanyif that's ok
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imersure, i'm pretty done though haha
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nyanyMy most recent complaint with OVH is their billing - They for whatever benevolent reason decided that instead of paying $38.06 per month plus taxes for the SYS-1-SAT-32 server, I was paying their current price of $34.99
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nyanythis was a few months back
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nyanyA couple of days ago I got three invoices from them for no reason, turns out it's the difference between the 38.06 and 34.99
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imerlol
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imerthey should just eat it at that point
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nyanythey're going to, because they're on my ground now
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nyany(Canada)
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fireonlivenyany: get 'em!!
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imeryes. ^
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fireonlive
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ymgve"Are you compliant with the software licenses of your dependencies in any way whatsoever?"
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fireonlive:P
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fireonlive<_<;
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fireonlive
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steeringprodiver
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Bartofireonlive: i mean, it's MIT license. Sorry for the 9% who have to be learned the news the hard way
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JAAThe fourth one is a bit tricky, but yeah.
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imerYeah, relicensing caught my tired brain off guard, but makes sense.
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JAAThe trickier part in my eyes is the 'claim to be the authoritative source for the software' bit.
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imerthats fair, likely something one might need to go to court over to figure out case by case and depending on the wording..
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JAAYeah
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imer"no trademark" pushed that to "legally allowed" for me though, not a lawyer though and I probably wouldn't want the ensuing drama either way
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imera dick move either wat
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imery*
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JAAA trademark would certainly push it to no, yeah. Without one, it's a lot murkier. Probably very dependent on jurisdiction.
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JAAOh, definitely
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steeringi thought about that, but they're only claiming to be the authoritative source for the -improved software? *shrug*
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JAAHmm yeah, I read it as 'for the original'.
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Bartothe more i see this corporate bullcrap, the more i like agpl
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steeringmmh, IMO that's the difference between "bad taste" and "complete scum
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JAAOtherwise mentioning it doesn't make too much sense, really?
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JAAYou'd always claim to be the authoritative source for your project.
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steeringwell... most people don't explicitly make that claim
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steeringhonestly I think my response if someone decided to fork something of mine, would be "oh great, i can stop maintaining it"
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JAAYeah, maybe not explicitly.
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JAAHeh
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JAABarto: I assume you're familiar with marcan's rant about the AGPL?
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katiaunless they remove the only reason you made that project in the first place in their Improvements
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JAA
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BartoJAA: i actually am not
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Bartothat's a damn wall of text
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JAAYeah, and there's a second wall of text in the replies.
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Bartowas opening to read a bit of a comment, not tolstoi's entire work
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JAADon't take this as a 'that's how it is', by the way. I haven't made up my mind about the AGPL, but I found that rant quite interesting.
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Bartolike you, IANAL :-)
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JAA:-)
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Bartoalso, i can poke at marcan whenever i want, the dude is in archlinuxarm on libera, too ;-) Never talked to the guy though
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steeringthis umm... seems like a purposeful misinterpretation on the "pull request flow" bit
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steeringyou can download, change, and run it yourself all you want; you have access to your modified code and you are the only one interacting with it over the network
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steeringah, he addresses it in another responses... yeah... still don't buy that bit
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fireonliveBarto: you anal? ;)
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Barto:D
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Bartoindeed
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immibisBarton: and SSPL is AGPL but even moreso, but also a bit crayony.
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JAAYeah, the SSPL is pretty ridiculous.
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