00:25:54 <nicolas17> JAA: a year ago or so I started to see 'fi' ligatures in monospaced text on the web
00:26:02 <nicolas17> I want to stab whoever made that happen
00:30:55 <JAA> Yeah, shell scripts are wonderful with that.
00:31:10 <nicolas17> actually they copy correctly
00:31:21 <JAA> Of course, it's just rendering.
00:32:05 <nicolas17> it's not an actual ligature character, it's just the browser rendering adjacent fi with a ligature glyph, which even makes 'final' and 'shell' have different visual length despite monospace
00:35:00 <JAA> Yep
00:35:16 <JAA> And 'if' and 'fi' (hence why I mentioned shell scripts).
00:35:19 <nicolas17> D:
00:35:36 <TheTechRobo> i've never understood that
00:36:48 <nicolas17> TheTechRobo: in many fonts, especially serif ones, "fi" ligatures make the text look nicer
00:37:00 <nicolas17> they never *ever* make sense in monospace
00:37:27 <TheTechRobo> yeah, the whole point of monospace is to make everything the same width
00:37:36 <TheTechRobo> why would you then make certain combinations of characters different
00:38:08 <nicolas17> https://transfer.archivete.am/inline/14ZQDO/Screenshot_20231119_213749.png
00:39:33 <TheTechRobo> did they put a carriage return in their filename?
00:40:13 <nicolas17> seems so, but I chose to ignore the content and context of this, I was just looking for a code snippet with 'fi' :P
00:40:25 <JAA> TheTechRobo: Pro trick to make someone's day very miserable: `touch $'a.jpg\rb.png\nc'`
00:40:49 <TheTechRobo> JAA: You wouldn't.
00:41:02 <JAA> I have, to test my scripts with such things. :-)
00:41:03 <nicolas17> I once had a buffer overflow in a C program and I created a file with a bunch of funny control characters past the non-existent null terminator :(
00:41:07 <nicolas17> it wasn't easy to delete :(
00:41:49 <JAA> Oof
00:41:59 <TheTechRobo> the name C is fairly accurate in my case because that's roughly what I'd grade my code
00:42:08 <JAA> `printf '%q\n' *` is helpful in these cases.
00:42:20 <TheTechRobo> nicolas17: does tab-complete not escape those?
00:42:36 <JAA> Tab completion with special characters is ... interesting.
00:42:41 <TheTechRobo> I just saw the 'fi' in that screenshot you sent and I am disgusted
00:42:48 <nicolas17> SEE
00:42:52 <nicolas17> that was the point of the screenshot :p
00:43:10 <TheTechRobo> nicolas17: I was more focused on the content of the screenshot talking about an object with a carriage return in its filename for some reason :P
00:43:30 <JAA> Regular `ls` can actually 'properly' escape filenames these days. Because too many people were breaking shit by copying stuff from ls output.
00:43:45 <TheTechRobo> lmao
00:44:21 <nicolas17> code, pre { font-variant-ligatures: no-common-ligatures; } I need to add this to my user stylesheet or something
00:44:21 <TheTechRobo> make a file called `HugeVirusDeleteMePls;sudo rm -rf /`
00:44:36 <nicolas17> TheTechRobo: I once found a shell injection bug in a server-side git hook
00:45:09 <JAA> Oh yes, good idea re user style.
00:45:37 <nicolas17> and also found that ';echo${IFS}hello>/tmp/test.txt;# was a valid git branch name (whitespace seems to be the only disallowed thing?)
00:46:29 <TheTechRobo> I'm more shocked that whitespace ISN'T allowed
00:50:08 <nicolas17> also if you create a branch called foo, and delete it, and later create a branch called foo/bar, you could cause problems for yourself and for others :P
00:50:33 <TheTechRobo> nicolas17: how so?
00:51:31 <nicolas17> Alice creates branch 'foo', pushes it, Bob pulls, git creates file .git/refs/remotes/origin/foo
00:51:41 <nicolas17> Alice deletes the branch on the remote repository
00:52:09 <nicolas17> git fetch / git pull by default *don't* delete the local refs for branches deleted on the server
00:52:38 <nicolas17> later branch foo/bar is created on the server, Bob pulls again, git tries to create directory .git/refs/remotes/origin/foo (to put file 'bar' inside), it fails because foo already exists as a file
00:53:19 <TheTechRobo> does Git not handle that?
00:53:26 <TheTechRobo> or I guess how would it handle that
00:53:28 <JAA> Hmm, I wonder whether Git should have a mechanism to move the ref to packed-refs in that case or similar.
00:53:49 <nicolas17> I'm also not sure if the reflog is deleted when you delete a branch
00:54:02 <JAA> Though that would also require packing the objects etc.
00:54:14 <nicolas17> if you delete your local branch 'foo', it will delete your .git/refs/heads/foo, but I don't know if it deletes the corresponding reflog
00:54:22 <nicolas17> so that could also cause a file vs directory clash later
00:55:18 <JAA> Looks like it does, yeah.
00:56:01 <JAA> The commit is still tracked by the reflog, but no longer associated with 'foo'.
00:57:37 <nicolas17> and the reflog is a similar files-and-directories structure in .git/logs soooo
00:58:10 <JAA> No, as in, the commit is still referenced *somewhere*, but there's no record of the branch name anymore.
00:58:23 <JAA> `find .git -name '*foo*'` is empty.
00:58:33 <nicolas17> ah, it does delete the 'foo' reflog
00:58:40 <nicolas17> the commit is still referenced in the 'HEAD' reflog
00:58:52 <JAA> Ah right, HEAD has its own reflog.
01:03:54 <JAA> (Is it really a 'reflog' if it lives in .git/logs/HEAD, not in .git/logs/refs/?)
01:04:15 <TheTechRobo> nicolas17: wait, if each branch is referenced on the filesystem, couldn't you screw up Windows/macOS users by having `foo` and `Foo` ?
01:04:31 <nicolas17> probably :D
01:04:41 <TheTechRobo> sounds fun!
01:04:42 <TheTechRobo> :P
01:04:47 <nicolas17> git had some hardening for that on filenames
01:04:53 <nicolas17> or files called CON or stuff like that
01:05:05 <nicolas17> but idk if they're working around the issues with branch names
01:05:06 <JAA> Aw, I was just going to suggest that.
01:06:03 <nicolas17> JAA: they're protecting against that for "files in the repo", but I don't know if they are for branches, maybe a branch called con *will* break things :D
01:06:17 <JAA> Ah, right
01:07:23 <TheTechRobo> how do they protect it? do they just stop you from commiting a file named CON?
01:10:46 <nicolas17> I think git refuses to checkout those files on Windows, rather than blindly opening it and getting a file descriptor to the console
01:16:09 <kiska> nicolas17: You should see the influxdb insertions :D
01:16:14 <kiska> insertion log :D
01:16:30 <fireonlive> 😏
01:17:02 <kiska> @ifre
01:17:03 <nicolas17> fireonlive: no.
01:17:06 <kiska> Ooops :D
01:17:12 <kiska> You should see how fast its going :D
01:17:37 <kiska> fireonlive nicolas17 here is the live console https://seashells.io/v/Aw4AvJeZ
01:18:02 <nicolas17> are you inserting every websocket response?
01:18:14 <kiska> Yes
01:19:12 <fireonlive> kiska: nice :D
01:19:27 <fireonlive> nicolas17: uwu ok
01:45:01 <kiska> nicolas17 fireonlive what do you think of the influxdb ingestion :D
01:45:03 <kiska> Fast :D
01:45:51 <nicolas17> you should do some aggregation I think :P
01:46:58 <fireonlive> i like :D
01:51:10 <kiska> nicolas17: then rewrite this https://paste.kiska.pw/c/ContemporizedRom
01:51:48 <kiska> Hrm... I should remove my debug lines :D
01:52:07 <kiska> Or fireonlive you can tackle it
03:24:47 <project10> TclMeElmo++
03:24:47 -eggdrop- [karma] 'TclMeElmo' now has 2 karma!
03:31:23 <fireonlive> :P
04:58:01 <fireonlive> https://x.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609?s=12
04:58:01 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/sama/status/1726345564059832609
05:00:23 <fireonlive> https://x.com/tekbog/status/1726347145068814482?s=12 lmao
05:00:24 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/tekbog/status/1726347145068814482
05:00:32 <fireonlive> … wrong tweet
05:00:52 <fireonlive> https://x.com/swyx/status/1726347406894137586?s=12 **
05:00:53 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/swyx/status/1726347406894137586
05:24:21 <fireonlive> http://www.williamflew.com/ < old sci-fi mag scans :)
07:09:31 <fireonlive> rip server
07:10:35 <fireonlive> (not my server)
07:10:36 <fireonlive> lol
07:11:26 <fireonlive> btw if anyone here uses adobe creative cloud:  https://dl.fireon.live/irc/c6e7c794521c9057/image.png
07:13:21 <fireonlive> note if you're yearly there's shenanigans ig
07:17:53 <fireonlive> ah there we go :o
07:24:03 <fireonlive> https://x.com/amir/status/1726465076843176224?s=12
07:24:04 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/amir/status/1726465076843176224
07:24:05 <fireonlive> ????
07:24:50 <fireonlive> https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338?s=12
07:24:50 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/ashleevance/status/1726469283734274338
07:26:33 <fireonlive> https://twitter.com/kvogt/status/1726428099217400178 CEO of Cruise resigns too
07:26:34 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/kvogt/status/1726428099217400178
07:26:48 <project10> https://irc.project10.net/uploads/39981d8f8d51e4ec/chaos.mp4
07:27:37 <fireonlive> xP yeeep
07:27:44 <fireonlive> extra wat at openai
08:11:23 <fireonlive> -+rss- RSS can be used to distribute all sorts of information: https://colinwalker.blog/blog/?date=2023-11-19 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38343385
08:11:26 <fireonlive> ......:)
08:41:12 <fireonlive> -+rss- Microsoft Hires Former OpenAI CEO Sam Altman: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23968829/microsoft-hires-sam-altman-greg-brockman-employees-openai https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38344385
08:41:13 <fireonlive> ??????
08:41:18 <fireonlive> !??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!?!?????
08:43:55 <project10> https://media.tenor.com/cOHDQRRRbHgAAAAd/eating-popcorn.gif
08:47:08 <fireonlive> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521023770894829 https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521185733882342
08:47:09 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521023770894829 https://nitter.net/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1726521185733882342
08:54:37 <fireonlive> -+rss- Sam Altman is the CEO of a new AI group under Microsoft: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726516824597258569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38344644
08:54:37 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/satyanadella/status/1726516824597258569
09:00:51 <fireonlive> https://twitter.com/MTGrepp/status/1726511052857471410
09:00:53 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/MTGrepp/status/1726511052857471410
10:31:13 <that_lurker> -+rss- Microsoft: We remain committed to our partnership with OpenAI: https://twitter.com/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122?s=41 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38345115
10:31:13 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/satyanadella/status/1726509045803336122
12:10:21 <nulldata> Heh Microsoft comes out as the winner in all this. They now have AI hype man and anyone who wanted to follow him, and still have exclusive access to OpenAI.
14:22:48 <project10> https://www.wired.com/story/openai-staff-walk-protest-sam-altman/
14:23:41 <project10> second thoughts: https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
14:23:41 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028
15:16:08 <nulldata> The fuck is going on lol
15:18:06 <nulldata> Clearly, the most stable minded teams to lead humanity into  the AGI future.
15:18:22 <nukke> what matrix client do y'all use?
15:18:39 <DigitalDragons> kick your feet up and watch the fire (and maybe run openai.com through archivebot)
16:11:17 <JAA> > People building AGI unable to predict consequences of their actions 3 days in advance.
16:11:20 <JAA> :-)
16:16:53 <fireonlive> @_@
16:19:45 <project10> https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/k9w3ei4/ apparently YT introduced an artificial slowdown in FF that goes away if you spoof Chrome UA
16:20:02 <JAA> Oh, that shit again?
16:20:44 <project10> ...again?
16:20:47 <kiska> :D
16:21:15 <JAA> They added intentional performance issues for Firefox users into YouTube some years ago to push people towards Chrome.
16:23:29 <JAA> Or rather, all non-Chrome browsers, because they used an already deprecated API only implemented in Chrome.
16:23:58 <JAA> ~2018
16:24:00 <project10> "don't be evil" google, such a distant memory
16:35:04 <fireonlive> the letter: https://x.com/karaswisher/status/1726599700961521762?s=12
16:35:04 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/karaswisher/status/1726599700961521762
16:37:07 <JAA> lol signature 12
16:40:10 <JAA> Hmm, where's the full list?
16:41:46 <fireonlive> hmm yeah
16:48:09 <fireonlive> https://x.com/vxunderground/status/1726604821242040407?s=12
16:48:09 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/vxunderground/status/1726604821242040407
16:48:14 <fireonlive> ok then lol
16:56:00 <fireonlive> https://x.com/snoopdogg/status/1726616549099004309?s=12
16:56:00 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/snoopdogg/status/1726616549099004309
16:56:02 <fireonlive> oh.
17:20:03 <nulldata> Regarding Firefox and YouTube delay, the code is tied to anti-ad blocking and doesn't seem to be browser dependent. In the thread posted to the LTT subreddit people are saying they are seeing this in Chrome too with ad blockers. https://old.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/17ywbjj/whenever_i_open_a_youtube_video_in_a_new_tab_its/ka08uqj/
17:20:23 <fireonlive> https://github.com/leafac/kill-the-newsletter
17:20:25 <fireonlive> oooooh.
17:20:33 <fireonlive> email to RSS anyone?
17:25:32 <JAA> Nice
17:26:21 <JAA> Barto may be interested. :-)
17:26:52 <fireonlive> :)
17:28:58 <fireonlive> I was just thinking I could also use it for stuff like credit card transaction emails and have them piped to (private) IRC or something lol. possibilities are endless I guess
17:55:00 <AK> https://0xbro.red/disclosures/disclosed-vulnerabilities/opencart-cve-2023-47444/
17:55:42 <AK> "ur a fucking tim.e waster" What an excellent way to respond to someone trying to point out vulnerabilities in your application
17:55:58 <AK> Of course he then decided to just ban him and be kinda rude on a github issue too: https://github.com/opencart/opencart/issues/12947
18:03:18 <JAA> > Il not into what if's!
18:03:34 <JAA> Typos aside, maybe you shouldn't be a software developer if you aren't.
18:04:02 <nicolas17> if the vulnerability report was bullshit I would still not use this software after that reaction from the developer
18:04:16 <JAA> Yeah
18:08:11 <fireonlive> hmm.
18:08:33 <fireonlive> opencart is ringing a bell to me and not in a good way but I can’t remember why
18:08:49 <fireonlive> probably similar to such above
18:21:26 <TheTechRobo> Lmao what a fucking dick
19:18:12 <Barto> JAA: lol
19:18:32 <Barto> i was able to avoid all those crap newsletters with some ugly php code so far
19:18:55 <Barto> (rss-bridge, nitter is sufficient to my usecase right now)
19:54:34 <fireonlive> nice
21:02:25 <fireonlive> -+rss- Sam Altman is still trying to return as OpenAI CEO: https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/20/23969586/sam-altman-plotting-return-open-ai-microsoft https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38352891
21:02:28 <fireonlive> https://dl.fireon.live/irc/82f71937719fea8a/image.png
21:05:17 <fireonlive> "As of 10am PT, 700 of 770 employees have signed the call for board resignation." https://twitter.com/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242
21:05:17 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/joannejang/status/1726667504133808242
21:08:52 <nicolas17> fireonlive: wow the number I saw was more like 600/770
21:08:57 <fireonlive> https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726668687577665572
21:08:58 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/sama/status/1726668687577665572
21:09:06 <fireonlive> nicolas17: it's crazy eh o_O
21:10:11 <nicolas17> found it
21:10:17 <nicolas17> tweet from 7h ago
21:10:20 <nicolas17> "505/700"
21:10:30 <JAA> 715 by now, including 'colleagues with tenuous visa situations, a colleague who was literally in the hospital with the birth of their first child, signatories in the air on their way to Thanksgiving break, and many others'.
21:10:36 <JAA> https://nitter.net/E0M/status/1726694012336460005#m
21:10:45 <JAA> s/by now/as of an hour ago/
21:11:34 <JAA> Their entire feed consists of retweeted quote tweets of https://nitter.net/sama/status/1726099792600903681 . lol
21:25:29 <fireonlive> E0M is "Manage eng at @openai. Building GPT-4, ChatGPT, DALL·E, Codex, & GPT-3 APIs. Prev: Dir Eng @Nylas, Co-Founder @Proximate, @OlinCollege alum."
22:47:10 <fireonlive> https://www.maizly.com/
22:47:13 <fireonlive> everything. is. corn.
22:52:21 <JAA> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2goIhnIy1Y
22:53:46 <fireonlive> oooh! handy :3
22:58:15 <nulldata> https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1726517415356629320
22:58:15 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1726517415356629320
23:03:26 <nulldata> POTUS, FLOTUS, vp, and secondgentleman are now all on Threads. https://www.threads.net/@potus/post/Cz4g59Ur92-