00:07:10 <JAA> It's probably significantly harder to set something up so you can access it while on the road, especially if CGNAT is in play, too.
00:07:44 <nyany> I'm using IRCCloud behind ZNC
00:15:40 <nulldata> Cloudflare Tunnels and Access takes care of the CGNAT and dynamic IP issues
00:20:54 <nukke> Or tailscale
00:21:40 <nukke> I think one of the issues is both spare  machine availability and energy costs
00:22:50 <nukke> I wish hackint would cloak your IP/host by default but I remember that Noname person's IP was from somewhere in a region energy prices are pretty high and are also prone for prolonged power outages
00:24:40 <fireonlive> via https://gay.sex.life : https://the.company/
00:24:52 <fireonlive> i guess they just bought a bunch of domains o_O
00:25:20 <fireonlive> >This simple web page was created for informational purposes only. We don't sell anything. We don't buy anything. We don't offer any services. We don't need any services. We do not give any advice. We do not need anyone's advice or recommendation on our own affairs. Best Regards, THE COMPANY
00:25:33 <fireonlive> >THE COMPANY
00:25:33 <fireonlive> >DREAMS COME TRUE
00:25:38 <fireonlive> >Our goal is to complete all these projects within 10 years
00:25:39 <fireonlive> lol
00:26:04 <fireonlive> (thesword's title is gay.sex.life which auto-linkified for me in the lounge)
00:26:13 <fireonlive> (and i clicked on it wondering if it existed)
00:26:40 <fireonlive> good thing they're working on... happy.world and safe.world tho
00:27:05 <fireonlive> <nukke> I wish hackint would cloak your IP/host by default but I remember that Noname person's IP was from somewhere in a region energy prices are pretty high and are also prone for prolonged power outages < me too... i wonder why they don't
00:27:11 <JAA> But also on fake.world and crazy.world...
00:27:54 <fireonlive> welp
00:28:27 <JAA> Nice find :-)
00:28:34 <fireonlive> :) tks
01:00:06 <nulldata> A new video from our robot overlords https://youtu.be/-9EM5_VFlt8
01:06:22 <fireonlive> RIP atlas
01:25:52 <ymgve> I like how it sometimes goes into an "ow my balls" stance
01:44:13 <fireonlive> -+rss- Boeing whistleblower says 787 fleet should be grounded: https://thehill.com/homenews/4598076-boeing-whistleblower-says-787-fleet-should-be-grounded/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40059174
01:57:27 <fireonlive> posted in #discard, but thought it relevant to those outside the project too: -+rss- Site claims to have harvested 4B+ Discord chats, all yours for a price: https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/16/discord_network_sale/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40059022
01:57:42 <fireonlive> >Yes, all the info is already public in a way – Discord is kinda like IRC on steroids
01:57:46 <fireonlive> IRC mentioned, we're still relevant
02:00:25 <fireonlive> >Enhanced User Privacy.
02:00:25 <fireonlive> >    We prioritize your privacy as a user searcher. Your searches are secure and confidential.
02:00:27 <fireonlive> lol
02:00:56 <fireonlive> >You are fucking with the captcha. Please stop.
02:00:58 <fireonlive> in red
02:01:04 <fireonlive> no i just have JS disabled but thanks
02:03:42 <fireonlive> "Request removal" /remove redirects to /lmfao.mp4 lol
02:05:37 <fireonlive> (https://dl.fireon.live/irc/6d6fe1cc24e2e3d8/lmfao.mp4)
03:04:54 <pabs> TIL some protocols in the vein of gopher/gemini and how to access their specs:
03:04:54 <pabs> echo nex/info/specification.txt | nc nightfall.city 1900 | less
03:04:54 <pabs> echo 'spartan.mozz.us /specification.gmi 0' | nc spartan.mozz.us 300 | less
03:04:54 <pabs> echo 'R scorpion://zzo38computer.org/specification.txt' | nc zzo38computer.org 1517 | less
03:05:39 * pabs guesses IA is not able to archive these - /cc arkiver :)
03:07:39 <fireonlive> :o neat
03:25:13 <pabs> https://openjsf.org/blog/openssf-openjs-alert-social-engineering-takeovers
03:29:13 <nicolas17> oof
03:30:32 <nicolas17> pabs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffEHNMOz-oU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idwkj3bFfe0 may be relevant to your interests
03:54:32 <icedice> <fireonlive> posted in #discard, but thought it relevant to those outside the project too: -+rss- Site claims to have harvested 4B+ Discord chats, all yours for a price: https://www.theregister.com/2024/04/16/discord_network_sale/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40059022
03:54:53 <icedice> They're dipshits at least for using Porkbun
03:55:01 <icedice> One complaint and that domain is a goner
03:55:10 <icedice> Anyone here wants to light the fuse?
03:57:54 <myself> I wonder how I'd tell if my stuff was in there.
03:58:28 <deadorbit> has anyone had any luck running standalone warc archive scripts
04:35:16 <nukke> https://x0.at/hWjj.png
07:42:01 <fireonlive> https://adobeandteardrops.com/ sadly this is not a site criticizing Adobe the maker of reader, photoshop, etc
07:42:16 <fireonlive> just wanted to share my disappointment
14:00:46 <pabs> https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779885123363635572.html https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1779920066840055847
14:12:35 <nukke> fug
14:13:55 <kpcyrd> I've added a new feature to my source code indexing site: https://whatsrc.org/artifact/sha256:81e9516553370b8146f54c0cef08ef27d1ede976aa674d4ba9d915d64e42b4f3
14:14:04 <OrIdow6> Not sure how to feel about the Discord thing - it's pretty despicable but if anything happens to the guy I feel like it could happen to AT as well
14:14:35 <OrIdow6> Kinda reminds me of archive.eu in being an evil, commercial version of AT or the IA
14:30:48 <deadorbit22> has anyone had luck using standalone archival scripts
14:39:47 <kpcyrd> deadorbit22: what's standalone archival scripts?
14:40:10 <deadorbit22> WAIL for instance
14:40:25 <deadorbit22> or browsertrix
14:51:49 <ymgve> someone's scraping discord apparently https://stackdiary.com/spy-pet-is-harvesting-your-discord-history-with-no-ability-to-opt-out/
14:51:54 <ymgve> but not in a good way
14:52:26 <nukke> wym "not in a good way"? it's all public servers
14:52:45 <ymgve> I mean they don't seem to publish their scrapes as far as I can tell
14:52:48 <nukke> so no private/invite-only discords, or DMs
14:53:02 <ymgve> just a private search interface that costs "tokens" to use
15:11:21 <nukke> say hello to our new overlords https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29ECwExc-_M
15:15:26 <joepie91|m> that a community is publicly accessible does not automatically mean that people are okay with others mass-scraping it to build a spying system out of it, particularly a for-profit one
15:15:57 <joepie91|m> there exist legitimate reasons to scrape things, but "it's public" in and of itself does not excuse any and every kind of scraping for any purpose
15:40:19 * DigitalDragons considers sending angry legal notices to spy.pet
16:06:16 <nyany_> Anyone using IRCCloud suddenly unable to access the client?
16:21:03 <fireonlive> DigitalDragons: given their "Request removal" at spy.pet/remove i dont think they'll care too much
16:24:29 <kpcyrd> fireonlive: considering this "remove page" specifically I think cloudflare won't host them for long because the person running this site can't argue they operate in good faith with this
16:25:03 <kpcyrd> one still needs to go do the necessary steps though
16:33:40 <kpcyrd> DigitalDragons: email it to DSA-legal-representative⊙cc, it's the contact in charge of (EU) 2022/2065
16:35:48 <kpcyrd> alternatively go for https://abuse.cloudflare.com/general
16:36:54 <kpcyrd> ^ this is most certainly the better contact way, I think the email is for something else
16:38:13 <kpcyrd> I didn't notice there's a "General" section while looking for something more specific for this situation
16:40:44 <kpcyrd> ah, they even mention "DSA certification of bona fide belief" on the submission form
17:00:52 <DigitalDragons> fireonlive: yeah, hosting providers may care though
17:22:54 <kpcyrd> the cloudflare form even has a box to send the hosting provider a copy
17:27:31 <deadorbit> why is browsertrix so garbage. at this rate it will take me 90 days to archive this website.
17:38:57 <JAA> Running a full browser will do that. Also, it's webrecorder, so it won't write proper WARCs.
17:42:05 <deadorbit> well that sucks
17:42:54 <fireonlive> there's uh
17:42:57 <fireonlive> hm
17:42:58 <steering> what is the difference between spy.pet and a search engine which makes one okay but not the other?
17:43:08 <fireonlive> internetarchive's one
17:43:17 <fireonlive> brozzler - but it's also full chromium
17:43:34 <fireonlive> but presumably writes correct warcs since they tend to actually care about that stuff
17:46:17 <nicolas17> someone should sponsor me to write a pcap to warc converter
17:47:56 <DigitalDragons> steering: because Google doesn't let you pay $0.10 to stalk users across login-required spaces
17:51:04 * fireonlive gives nicolas17 one meme
17:51:22 * fireonlive pays nicolas17 in exposure 
17:52:34 <nicolas17> I considered biting you, then realized you might like it so nvm
17:53:50 <fireonlive> i mean
17:54:07 <fireonlive> 👀
17:54:25 <fireonlive> i'd totally hate that don't do it
17:54:31 <DigitalDragons> can't do anything to fireonlive when he has every kink
17:54:47 <fireonlive> xD
17:57:33 <fireonlive> telegram ceo is saying in his channel he did an interview with tucker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w o_O
18:02:06 <nukke> makes sense, both are big fans of putin
18:03:53 <nukke> oh god I had to close the video after the first two minutes
18:09:06 <nyany> I slapped that in the queue
18:11:12 <fireonlive> telegram ceo hotter than i thought he would be
18:26:14 <nicolas17> bonk
18:34:55 <fireonlive> 😵‍💫
18:44:39 <kpcyrd> lol
19:16:13 <steering> DigitalDragons: you're right, they let you see the cached copy for free instead. remember how that used to be the simplest way to bypass paywalls...?
19:16:50 <DigitalDragons> i don't see how that's relevant here
19:17:02 <steering> i don't see how it's not
19:18:31 <nicolas17> that's the paywalled site explicitly letting Google see the content for free
19:18:46 <steering> and this is discord letting spy.pet see the content, cool
19:18:47 <nicolas17> not Google going out of its way to login with a fake account to scrape the content
19:19:15 <DigitalDragons> also "news articles" and "your messages" are not remotely the same thing
19:19:21 <steering> umm
19:19:22 <nicolas17> ^
19:19:36 <steering> i'm not sure what you think the web was like in 1998
19:20:04 <nicolas17> this channel is publicly logged
19:20:16 <nicolas17> if it wasn't, I wouldn't want Google to join a bot to IRC to index it
19:20:38 * joepie91|m notes that people who believe that nonconsensual spying on people is okay, will always find a justification for it
19:20:42 <DigitalDragons> yeah it's more like someone publicly logging every irc channel they can find without asking anyone
19:21:04 <steering> joepie91|m: don't worry, i know it's only okay when stealing from companies :)
19:21:44 <steering> nicolas17: and how would you stop someone from doing so?
19:22:01 <nicolas17> "it's impossible to prevent it" doesn't mean it's okay
19:22:10 <steering> it's not impossible to prevent it, though.
19:22:31 <nicolas17> then why are you bringing that argument
19:22:50 <steering> because it's actually quite easy to prevent, if you want to prevent it.
19:23:01 <steering> if you don't take any steps to prevent it, you really shouldn't be surprised when it happens.
19:23:07 <steering> step 1: don't make stuff public if you don't want it to be public
19:24:16 <nicolas17> do you think talking on an IRC channel is "making stuff public" because theoretically anyone could join it?
19:24:21 <joepie91|m> "don't wear a short skirt then"
19:24:40 <joepie91|m> consent is really a very simple concpet
19:24:42 <joepie91|m> concept*
19:26:59 <fireonlive> DMS-10: The first phone call!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-R64-zYBHc
22:53:15 <nulldata> https://gizmodo.com/piece-of-iss-battery-pallet-crashed-through-florida-hom-1851412968
23:49:17 <fireonlive> -+rss- House passes bill requiring warrant to purchase data from third parties: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4601266-house-passes-bill-requiring-warrant-to-purchase-data-from-third-parties/ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40070853