00:22:34 <nukke> https://proton.me/blog/proton-wallet-launch
00:22:42 <nukke> Was this discussed already?
00:35:00 <ymgve_> why is it relevant? another dumb bitcoin wallet?
00:36:05 <Flashfire42> because proton is usually considered pretty secure and privacy friendly
01:17:05 <JAA> > Proton Wallet is a non-custodial wallet, and we utilize end-to-end encryption to ensure that we never have access to your Bitcoin, even when you are executing transactions via Proton Wallet.
01:17:20 <JAA> Ok, better than the competition, I guess.
01:18:23 <steering> Proton Wallet is a self-custody wallet, meaning we use end-to-end encryption to ensure that you are the only one with access to your wallet's encryption keys.
01:18:26 <steering> Our robust recovery methods mean you can never be locked out from your Bitcoin — not even by us.
01:18:45 <steering> Umm... Ok
01:18:45 <hexa-> non-custodial and self-custody, which is it?
01:18:48 <hexa-> oh nvm
01:19:01 <hexa-> they mean the same thing of course, you keep your coins yourself
01:19:09 <steering> what I'm wondering is self-custody and you can't lose it
01:19:34 <JAA> > Proton Sentinel uses advanced machine learning and AI that’s analyzed millions of logins to detect and block malicious login attempts with high accuracy.
01:19:39 <hexa-> nouuuuu
01:19:41 <JAA> Lovely
01:20:00 <JAA> *flashbacks to trying to log into an old Google account*
01:20:20 <steering> I assume what they're saying is "we'll encrypt your keys (indirectly) with your passphrase and you can keep a copy too" or something
01:37:41 <hexa-> ideall
01:37:43 <hexa-> y
01:37:50 <hexa-> but maybe that is what they want you to read into it
02:07:59 <steering> I think even if my assumption is correct, they want people to read more into it - they want people to associate "recovery methods" and "can never be locked out" with "you can magically recover it if you forget your password"
02:08:22 <steering> (which is hopefully *not* true)
02:11:06 <JAA> Not sure where you're getting that from.
02:11:08 <JAA> > Each wallet has a recovery seed phrase that’s only known to you (Proton never sees it). Even if Proton were to entirely disappear someday, you would still have access to the Bitcoin in your Proton wallet with your recovery phrase.
02:13:11 <JAA> I'm curious about the implementation details though.
02:13:11 <steering> Ok, good.
02:13:13 <steering> Wed⊙12 < steering> Our robust recovery methods mean you can never be locked out from your Bitcoin — not even by us.
02:14:14 <steering> recovery methods, int he context of a web service, generally refers to regaining access to that service if you forgot your password, right?
02:15:54 <steering> For example I was "locked out" of a Google account (which has been deleted many times over now, RIP google apps free) because I had no "recovery methods"... sometimes businesses like to say intentionally things that are true but can also be misinterpreted in beneficial ways...
02:16:38 <hexa-> ok, but at that point you can just use metamask or the coinbase wallet
02:17:09 <hexa-> and yes, I'm ashamed that I know these things
02:22:48 <JAA> I'm guessing they use the same core principles as with emails, which I'm not sure how it works either.
02:23:29 <JAA> They claim that emails get encrypted as they're received (if they're not 'end-to-end encrypted' from the start when communicating within Proton).
02:23:59 <JAA> But they need to decrypt them when you want to read them, obviously. I assume you just log in with a regular username/email + password, and then it gets decrypted on-the-fly.
02:24:29 <JAA> That's how Riseup does it, anyway.
02:51:10 <nulldata> https://lounge.nulldata.foo/uploads/a4463f53b8a4e4bb/GOTY.png
02:51:32 <nulldata> I'm curious now what rating the Aussies gave it
02:55:52 <nulldata> Apparently never received classification down under
03:25:27 <nulldata> https://mailhog-stage.fanatec.com/ <- public Email inbox with no auth that receives copies of all their store order notifications. Neat!
04:16:51 <pabs> "Pulling Linux up by its bootstraps" https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/983340/0b9eb25f2166789b/
04:16:52 <pabs> (building modern Linux starting from zero binaries and generated files)
05:25:37 <fireonlive> crowdstrike dmcaing (?) meme stickers https://x.com/wbm312/status/1818381407766692224?s=12
05:25:37 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/wbm312/status/1818381407766692224
14:38:13 <eggdrop> [remind] kiska: upsample project stats
16:49:51 <fireonlive> that's when you use AI to fill in the gaps right
17:01:15 <katia> lol
17:37:01 <kiska> !remindme 1m downsample grafana
17:37:04 -eggdrop- [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-08-01T17:38:01Z
17:37:16 <kiska> !remindme 30d downsample grafana
17:37:16 -eggdrop- [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-08-31T17:37:16Z
17:38:04 <eggdrop> [remind] kiska: downsample grafana
18:35:41 <nulldata> Grafana RTX
18:44:37 <fireonlive> ah ye, 1mo for month
18:44:42 <fireonlive> er, 'mo' for month
18:56:08 <fireonlive> "Rabbit Says Breach 'Not Caused by a Breach,' Is Fault of Malicious Employee, 'Hacktivists,' Journalists" https://www.404media.co/rabbit-says-breach-not-caused-by-a-breach-is-fault-of-malicious-employee-hacktivists-journalists/
19:51:03 <Notrealname1234> https://x.com/ToonHive/status/1819086230988247340
19:51:04 <eggdrop> nitter: https://nitter.lucabased.xyz/ToonHive/status/1819086230988247340
19:52:48 <Notrealname1234> Why is the nitter link changing every time?
19:59:49 <nukke> ah, so they're just moving all content to hbo max
20:04:11 <Notrealname1234> Yeah
20:09:33 <Fijxu|m> <Notrealname1234> "Why is the nitter link changing..." <- Because not all instances work
20:09:55 <Fijxu|m> They are being blocked by twitter or something
20:10:03 <Notrealname1234> they should be
20:10:10 <Notrealname1234> how are they coming back
20:11:26 <Notrealname1234> Yeah nevermind
23:19:30 <nulldata> https://clownstrike.lol/crowdmad/