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JAA
An online store here with the tagline 'smart shopping' fucked up their pricing and is selling an Ultrastar drive at less than half the normal price. lol
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Jake
very 'smart' of them, hah
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JAA
On another note, if anyone has experiences with Toshiba Enterprise Capacity drives, I'd like to hear about that.
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systwi
Is the Ultrastar a Hitachi one?
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JAA
Well, WD these days.
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JAA
Damn, that sale was over a decade ago. Time sure flies...
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systwi
Right, just as long as it's not a Toshiba disk. IIRC IBM also made Ultrastar disks, also junk.
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systwi
At my work we purchased 20 new 10TB Toshiba disks, only 2 out of the 20 actually worked.
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JAA
I mean, it's pretty much all the same tech nowadays, isn't it? When WD bought HGST from Hitachi, they had to share everything with Toshiba.
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JAA
Or rather, they were forced to sell the 3.5" division to Toshiba but were allowed to keep the tech for themselves or something like that. Never really looked up the exact details.
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JAA
And IBM Ultrastars were back in the late 90s...
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JAA
What model was that?
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JAA
The Toshiba duds, I mean.
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systwi
I never did either. My impression is that Toshiba, for a period of time, made disks using HGST's previous design, presumably as per some business agreement. HGST was bought by WD and now Toshiba is left to design their own disks for once. :P
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systwi
(sorry, slow typist)
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systwi
Yeah, now that I think about it, those IBM disks were the 90s. Maybe early 2000s? Time files.
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systwi
I don't remember exactly, let me check.
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systwi
^ regarding the dead Toshibas
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systwi
Pretty sure the model for all of them was: MG06ACA10TE
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JAA
Yeah, introduced in 1994 by IBM, then bought by HGST in 2003, which was then bought by WD in 2011/12. Don't remember when WD stopped using the HGST branding, but it wasn't too long after that.
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JAA
Hmm
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JAA
That's air-filled but otherwise the same line as the ones I'm looking at.
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JAA
MG07ACA14TE and MG08ACA16TE to be precise.
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systwi
12 or so disks "spun up" to clicking/scraping, 3 didn't spin up at all, 3 _looked like_ they would work, but writing data to them was veeeeerrrrry slow, and they eventually clicked to death, and the remaining 2 appeared flawless.
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systwi
Ah okay
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JAA
Rough shipping perhaps?
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systwi
They were packed pretty well, from what I remember. We've gotten in far worse drives before that make the Toshibas look babied.
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systwi
and those worked fine.
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systwi
Granted, they were Hitachis.
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JAA
Mhm
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JAA
90% DOA rate surely isn't normal though. Doesn't sound like a very profitable business model. lol
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systwi
Thankfully, the remaining 18 were successfully replaced under warranty and we used them for temp disks, as in, 'who cares if this data gets lost'. :P
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systwi
Yeah, seriously. You can only cut corners so much before it screws you.
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JAA
Ah yes, /scratch :-)
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systwi
Absolutely :)
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systwi
With that amount of reliability, what else are they good for?
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systwi
s/amount/kind/
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systwi
Re: "introduced in 1994 by IBM, then bought by HGST in 2003,..." I wonder where Toshiba fits into this.
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JAA
The replacements were fine?
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JAA
Well, Toshiba doesn't make Ultrastars.
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systwi
It's always funny looking at the back of the drive, saying "ooh, a Hitachi disk!", flip it over and it's a Toshiba. Like eating an apple with a worm inside.
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JAA
But per Wikipedia: 'In March 2011, Hitachi agreed to sell its hard disk drive subsidiary, HGST, to Western Digital for a combination of cash and shares worth US$4.3 billion. Due to concerns of a duopoly of WD and Seagate Technology by the EU Commission and the Federal Trade Commission, Hitachi's 3.5" HDD division was sold to Toshiba. The transaction was completed in March 2012.'
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systwi
Yes, the replacements ended up okay.
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systwi
Right, but Toshiba disks, physically, share nearly the same design as their HGST, ahem, "inspiration."
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systwi
Well, certain lines of them, I mean.
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JAA
'As part of the deal, Western Digital agreed to trade assets with Toshiba, with Toshiba receiving assets for the production of 3.5-inch hard drives (1, 2 and 3-platter drives produced in Shenzhen, China), in exchange for a Toshiba factory in Thailand for producing 2.5-inch drives (which had been inactive since the 2011 floods).'
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systwi
Ooohhhh okay, gotcha.
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JAA
I seem to remember that they got access to HGST tech as well, but it's not mentioned in the couple Wiki articles I checked.
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systwi
I could see Toshiba designers saying, "Wow, HGST really put that much quality into their components? Surely that's overkill."
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systwi
I see
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JAA
But they did make a massive tech jump a few years ago and were the first to produce 9-platter drives IIRC.
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systwi
If your recollection is correct, it sounds like how Seagate disks are. ST usually is the first to come out with groundbreaking storage technologies, but they're not made that well.
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systwi
Granted, I'm somewhat biased, in favour of the disk MFGs that have screwed me the least. :P
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JAA
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systwi
And yes, I know, it ultimately comes down to the models and not necessarily the manufacturers.
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systwi
Taking a look
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JAA
The final order starts with 10 pages of definitions. Fun to read... :-P
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systwi
Admittedly, WD as of late seems to have been declining in quality too, and it kind of upsets me they purchased HGST and SanDisk.
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systwi
But, anyway, in short, IMHO I wouldn't recommend getting those Toshiba disks, unless you plan on using them as scratch disks. Assuming those are the ones at half price, as long as they have a warranty, I'd say go for it, but I wouldn't trust them completely.
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JAA
No, different thing. The one with the pricing error (which would probably just get cancelled anyway) is a WD Ultrastar. The Toshibas are otherwise the cheapest per TB around here at the moment.
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JAA
Maybe I'll get some Seagate Exos. I've heard decent things about those.
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systwi
Oooh, I'd spring on the Ultrastar, but yeah, like you said, it would probably be cancelled. Happened to me when I found a $16 pack of 10 new LTO-5 tapes.
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JAA
I'd really like the Toshiba drives to be good as well though so there's a bit more competition.
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systwi
CONNER DISKS FOREVER!! :P
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systwi
The Exos are pretty decent drives, and fast too.
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JAA
It's half price of the normal price for that model, by the way. They aren't that much cheaper than the Toshibas or even the Exos.
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JAA
CHF 15.84/TB for the Ultrastar, 18.36/TB for one of the Toshibas.
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JAA
Ultrastar pricing is ... weird.
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systwi
That is weird, Toshiba disks are seldom more expensive than their competitors.
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systwi
What's the CHF/TB on the Exos?
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JAA
Then there's an external WD at 19/TB and an Exos at 19.07/TB.
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systwi
Are the Exos and WD the same capacity/speed/warranty length?
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JAA
WD My Book vs Seagate Exos. It doesn't get much further apart than that. lol
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systwi
Ahhh hahaha
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systwi
Inside of those My Books are typically white-labelled drives, equivalent to WD Reds/Red Pros
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JAA
I'm still wondering about that equivalence (binning?), but yeah.
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systwi
Or, equivalent to ST's Ironwolf disks.
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systwi
By binning did you mean shucking?
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JAA
No, I mean that they produce Red Pros and throw the ones that don't turn out that great but are still usable into externals.
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systwi
I would say, ST Exos = WD Gold, ST Ironwolf = WD Red(Pro)?
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systwi
Ohh, possibly.
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systwi
I would hope not.
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systwi
Knowing the tech manufacturing industry I wouldn't put it past them.
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JAA
Yeah, something like that. Ironwolf Pro is also a thing, probably equivalent to Red Pro.
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systwi
Didn't know about the Ironwolf Pros, but yeah, I'd say that too.
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systwi
I would choose the Exos if I were you, especially being so close to the My Book pricing.
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systwi
Furthermore, I can't recall if this is still applicable, but shucked WD disks will probably need that power modification done to use them outside of the enclosure.
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JAA
Depending on how modern your PSU is, yeah. I currently have to put them in an enclosure anyway for reasons, but yeah, I'd definitely pick Exos over My Book immediately, especially at almost exactly the same price.
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systwi
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JAA
Seagate was working on that again, weren't they?
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JAA
Minus the plexiglass top, which would be *awesome*.
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systwi
I don't know about recently, but yeah, some ST drives had dual actuators.
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JAA
Exos 2X14 have those dual actuators.
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JAA
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systwi
You'd think with the typical "gamer setup," having see-through case panels and RGB buttplugs I mean components, drive MFGs would make their disks with plexiglass tops, and probably some RGB lights inside, too, because gamers.
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JAA
Seagate FireCuda Gaming Hub etc.
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JAA
But yeah, I'd love to have a disk with a plexiglass top.
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systwi
Oooh, okay, so it did kind of catch on, albeit differently, but, cool!
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systwi
Yes, I want to see my disk happily grinding away _without_ having to open it and, for lack of a better term, fucking shit up.
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JAA
I'm sure there are many reasons why it'd be a bad idea, but at least on lower-capacity air-filled drives, it should be feasible.
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systwi
Ohhh, maybe the plexiglass covers couldn't resist external magnetic fields like typical opaque ones do.
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systwi
I just realized it's pretty late, and I still need to work on my homework.
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systwi
Nice talking with you
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JAA
Oh, shit, yeah, I should go to bed. lol
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JAA
06:04 :-|
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JAA
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JAA
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JAA
And now I'm off to bed. :-)
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systwi
Would anyone happen to know how to have grab-site properly use cookies.txt during a crawl? I've tried using: --wpull-args=--load-cookies=/absolute/path/to/cookies.txt
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systwi
but it doesn't seem to use the file at all during the grab.
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systwi
In other words, the cookies.txt I have is signed into an account. The resulting WARC shows me _not_ signed in.
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systwi
Cool videos, JAA, thanks for sharing!
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OrIdow6
systwi: Not familiar with cookies wpull, but with wget the format sometimes trips me up, specifically the use of tabs
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OrIdow6
Also, I'd call this on-topic
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yano
HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY!
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yano
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gazorpazorp
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yano
CORRECT LOL
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kpcyrd
YES
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IDK
HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY
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gazorpazorp
WHEN I WAS YOUNG I ACTUALLY TYPED LIKE THIS EVERYWHERE. IT MUST'VE BEEN PRETTY ANNOYING FOR OTHERS
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gazorpazorp
IT ALSO SAYS THE 2ND CAPS LOCK DAY WAS CREATED IN MEMORY OF BILLY MAYS
HTTPS://YOUTU.BE/watch?v=91K8MvN01b4 FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW ABOUT HIS SPEAKING STYLE
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IDK
THATS BAD
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TheTechRobo
Reposting from #internetarchive:
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TheTechRobo
TheTechRobo> Hello, is there a way to make an IA item "unlisted"?
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TheTechRobo
<TheTechRobo> Backstory: someone asked me to remove some items off the IA, but as the items use the "standard" identifier style for the type of content...
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TheTechRobo
<TheTechRobo> I think that it should just be only be able to be viewed if you have the Identifier
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h3ndr1k
TheTechRobo: You got an answer after timing out:
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h3ndr1k
<JA A> Yes, you can set the metadata field 'noindex' to 'true'. E.g. `ia metadata $IDENTIFIER --modify=noindex:true`
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TheTechRobo
Thanks h3ndr1k
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TheTechRobo
My internet is being really annoying
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TheTechRobo
is it normal to get youtube-xF55Ce67jNI - warning (400): no changes to _meta.xml ?
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JAA
#internetarchive is the right channel for this.
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TheTechRobo
I've got so much stuff "to upload" to the IA lmao
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TheTechRobo
I really need to weed through this stuff
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TheTechRobo
Is it jsut me or are like 99% of torrent trackers inaccessible?
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TheTechRobo
And the ones that aren't don't connect me to the IA
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TheTechRobo