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Terbium
icedice: reddit has blocked many VPN ASNs in the past months and only increasing
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icedice
Yeah, but never on old Reddit
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icedice
That's what threw me off
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icedice
I only ever use old Reddit
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Terbium
they've blocked my on old reddit as well
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nulldata
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JAA
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eggdrop
[tell] ok, I'll tell HP_Archivist when they join next
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nukke
icedice: try a different location. sweden is banned but not e.g. finland, norway
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nukke
ymmv
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nukke
holy shit nulldata photo... that's genuinely one of the most creative things I've seen lol.
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icedice
Yeah, I know
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icedice
It's based on the ASN
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icedice
The hosting provider and ASN that's used for Sweden is used for a bunch of European locations
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icedice
I hate the enshittification of Reddit
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icedice
Seems like Reddit also covered np.reddit.com and pay.reddit.com
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nukke
there was a pay.reddit.com one?! wtf π€’
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icedice
Yeah
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icedice
I forgot what it was for exactly, but it had the old site layout
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JAA
I'd assume for 'gold' and all the nonsense other thingies they added later?
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icedice
"It's an old subdomain used to have HTTPS, but now it's obsolete, yet it sometimes appears, maybe due to old traffic on Google"
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nulldata
I believe pay.reddit.com was used for making Reddit Gold payments and it forced HTTPS. Back when a lot of websites didn't have or use HTTPS by default.
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icedice
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nukke
you had to PAY for HTTPS? wtf
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JAA
No, it was a separate domain for making payments securely when the rest of it wasn't using HTTPS.
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JAA
I think.
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icedice
undelete.pullpush.io now says "Could not connect to Reddit
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icedice
"
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icedice
Worked fine a while ago
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icedice
So I'm guessing this change also hit them
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icedice
And PullPush in general
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nicolas17
nulldata: man I wouldn't want to be in Twitch's side here
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nicolas17
streamers keep pushing the line on purpose
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nicolas17
but it's so difficult to try to codify where the line is
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Ryz
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eggdrop
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nicolas17
what about it
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Ryz
What are the chances of that
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nicolas17
the "remaining"?
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Ryz
Yeah o.o;
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fireonlive
Ryz: IP address instead of dns?
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Ryz
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nicolas17
why were you using the IP? :P
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fireonlive
man i thought i was in #archivebot for a solid 4 mins
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fireonlive
i was like it's unsually chatty
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nicolas17
why does the #archivebot bot not use NOTICEs?
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fireonlive
you'd have to ask `hannahwhy`:
ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot 8ce9860
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
ooh hannahwhy why
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Ryz
nicolas17, I more or less have it saved in my text files for quick deployment of links at the same time; I think it was before I realized there's a domain about it, but I guess kept it that way after all these years
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Ryz
I guess on the off-chance that the named domain gets knocked down somehow
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Ryz
Yep, the archivebot.com website wasn't accessible for a brief moment earlier, while the other one is still usable
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fireonlive
oh weird, dns issues perhaps?
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nulldata
Maybe your browser was trying https? The ArchiveBot site doesn't respond to 443 for some reason.
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
can someone who's.... uh... clear headed lmk if this is just bs
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fireonlive
>Vultr's new agreement requires its customers to fork over rights to our apps/software/data/anything hosted on the Vultr cloud platform. That goes way too far. No other datacenter company requires this.
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fireonlive
people mad but it kinda looks like one of those like "facebook is allowed to transmit pictures on your behalf if you upload them to the service" penis covering things?
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fireonlive
πΆβπ«οΈ
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nukke
there is no way this is legally enforceable. there was no notice of upcoming ToS changes afaik
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nicolas17
fireonlive: no, this doesn't seem acceptable
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nukke
that alone would make it uneforceable even outside of the EU/GDPR region
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fireonlive
hmm
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DigitalDragons
"for purposes of providing the Services to you" though
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fireonlive
apparently signing in has you agree to it or something?
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fireonlive
sad if bad, was going to get a few thing from there
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nicolas17
if it was just like facebook's "we're allowed to prepare derivative works of your content (generate thumbnails of your photos to serve them to users)" then every hosting service would need the same
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nicolas17
fireonlive: they can't force you to agree when signing in, because if you disagree, how do you turn your servers off and cancel your account?
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fireonlive
ah yeah
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nicolas17
looks like that's exactly what's happening to the OP
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nukke
yeah there's usually a notice before they do major ToS changes like this
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nicolas17
"I've been trying to get them to at least let me access my account without agreeing to the new TOS so I can migrate out to another provider, but I'm now on day 5 of being locked out with no end in sight"
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fireonlive
:|
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nukke
that way you can migrate data in case you/your legal team deems this change unacceptable
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nukke
5 days is ridiculous, especially if e.g. they have (high) egress fees for large migrations
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nicolas17
in that sense it doesn't even matter what the ToS change is or if it's enforceable etc
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nicolas17
if they change the ToS and you disagree with it for whatever reason, *what do you do*?
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immibis
It doesn't matter because what can you do about it? Sue them for $0.001 of AI content income? Sue them for your account after they've already deleted your data for nonpayment? Keep paying and sue them for a refund of $10?
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immibis
The justice system doesn't actually deliver justice in most cases
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fireonlive
Vultr--
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eggdrop
[karma] 'Vultr' now has -1 karma!
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immibis
nic said it first
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fireonlive
'commercialize the User Content' woop
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nicolas17
"Just upload a bunch of Nintendo IP and then have Nintendo sue the shit out of them since they now are responsible for it."
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nulldata
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nulldata
> (c) As between You and Vultr, Vultr acknowledges that it claims no proprietary rights in or to Your Content. You hereby grant to Vultr a non-exclusive, worldwide and royalty-free license to copy, make derivative works, display, perform, use, broadcast and transmit on and via the Internet Your Content, solely for the benefit of You and to enable
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nulldata
Vultr to perform its obligations under these Terms.
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fireonlive
hm
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nulldata
I wonder if the User Content section of the agreement was meant more for user generated content you submit to their site such as comments and support tickets.
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nicolas17
well as I said there's two separate issues here
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nicolas17
one is the nature of the new terms, the other is that they didn't give advance notice and a way to login without agreeing so you can move your shit out if you disagree
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nicolas17
they are somewhat orthogonal and independently fucked up
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nulldata
"Last Modified: January 8, 2024" - apparently it's been like this for awhile too?
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DigitalDragons
idk this seems like pretty standard ass covering to me
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fireonlive
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nicolas17
"Digital Ocean specifically limits this clause to uploads on their website (ie, for community articles, forum posts, etc), not for all hosted services (which would include virtual machines, databases, etc)"
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fireonlive
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nulldata
The 'summary' they provide at the side doesn't really match what they're saying in the section
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nulldata
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nulldata
"you grant us permission to use your content as necessary to provide you with the Services." when the wording the agreement is way more than what is necessary to provide services.
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fireonlive
:|
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fireonlive
wtf they up to
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eggdrop
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HP_Archivist
JAA RE: Potter Lmao
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JAA
:-)
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nukke
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nukke
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nicolas17
nukke: I want to see Ben Eater's reaction to this :3
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JAA
Neat indeed!
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katia
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katia
valkey was placeholderkv
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JAA
Nice :-)
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nukke
Has anyone migrated to OpenTofu? Curious how that one is doing
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katia
it works great nukke
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nukke
Have they diverged from upstream yet?
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katia
yes
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nyany
imer: gonna continue the discussion here as its kinda getting a bit off topic
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nyany
if that's ok
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imer
sure, i'm pretty done though haha
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nyany
My most recent complaint with OVH is their billing - They for whatever benevolent reason decided that instead of paying $38.06 per month plus taxes for the SYS-1-SAT-32 server, I was paying their current price of $34.99
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nyany
this was a few months back
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nyany
A couple of days ago I got three invoices from them for no reason, turns out it's the difference between the 38.06 and 34.99
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imer
lol
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imer
they should just eat it at that point
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nyany
they're going to, because they're on my ground now
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nyany
(Canada)
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fireonlive
nyany: get 'em!!
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imer
yes. ^
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fireonlive
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ymgve
"Are you compliant with the software licenses of your dependencies in any way whatsoever?"
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fireonlive
:P
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fireonlive
<_<;
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fireonlive
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steering
prodiver
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Barto
fireonlive: i mean, it's MIT license. Sorry for the 9% who have to be learned the news the hard way
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JAA
The fourth one is a bit tricky, but yeah.
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imer
Yeah, relicensing caught my tired brain off guard, but makes sense.
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JAA
The trickier part in my eyes is the 'claim to be the authoritative source for the software' bit.
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imer
thats fair, likely something one might need to go to court over to figure out case by case and depending on the wording..
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JAA
Yeah
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imer
"no trademark" pushed that to "legally allowed" for me though, not a lawyer though and I probably wouldn't want the ensuing drama either way
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imer
a dick move either wat
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imer
y*
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JAA
A trademark would certainly push it to no, yeah. Without one, it's a lot murkier. Probably very dependent on jurisdiction.
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JAA
Oh, definitely
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steering
i thought about that, but they're only claiming to be the authoritative source for the -improved software? *shrug*
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JAA
Hmm yeah, I read it as 'for the original'.
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Barto
the more i see this corporate bullcrap, the more i like agpl
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steering
mmh, IMO that's the difference between "bad taste" and "complete scum
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JAA
Otherwise mentioning it doesn't make too much sense, really?
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JAA
You'd always claim to be the authoritative source for your project.
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steering
well... most people don't explicitly make that claim
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steering
honestly I think my response if someone decided to fork something of mine, would be "oh great, i can stop maintaining it"
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JAA
Yeah, maybe not explicitly.
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JAA
Heh
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JAA
Barto: I assume you're familiar with marcan's rant about the AGPL?
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katia
unless they remove the only reason you made that project in the first place in their Improvements
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JAA
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Barto
JAA: i actually am not
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Barto
that's a damn wall of text
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JAA
Yeah, and there's a second wall of text in the replies.
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Barto
was opening to read a bit of a comment, not tolstoi's entire work
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JAA
Don't take this as a 'that's how it is', by the way. I haven't made up my mind about the AGPL, but I found that rant quite interesting.
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Barto
like you, IANAL :-)
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JAA
:-)
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Barto
also, i can poke at marcan whenever i want, the dude is in archlinuxarm on libera, too ;-) Never talked to the guy though
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steering
this umm... seems like a purposeful misinterpretation on the "pull request flow" bit
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steering
you can download, change, and run it yourself all you want; you have access to your modified code and you are the only one interacting with it over the network
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steering
ah, he addresses it in another responses... yeah... still don't buy that bit
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fireonlive
Barto: you anal? ;)
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Barto
:D
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Barto
indeed
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immibis
Barton: and SSPL is AGPL but even moreso, but also a bit crayony.
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JAA
Yeah, the SSPL is pretty ridiculous.
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fireonlive
:D
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JAA
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rewby
Something I was wondering; how many of you have met fellow internet archivists (be it from archiveteam or otherwise) in real life?
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nicolas17
JAA: good, but not addressing the ToS change issue
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JAA
They're simultaneously claiming that the paragraph was only relevant for forums et al. (but that wasn't what the legal text said as far as I could tell, even if that was the intent) and that the rights were only granted for providing the Services. So... which is it?
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JAA
Yeah, that too.
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katia
rewby, i've met someone from this channel but not in a long time
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fireonlive
arkiver has at least :p
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nulldata
"How dare a customer call us out for having crappy broad language in our ToS after confirming with our support department the language was intended! They should know we only have good intentions! This is clearly a competitor jealous of our low GPU pricing."