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nulldata
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icedice
<nukke> I'm looking to buy a video8 player and need help with picking a good one
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icedice
YouTube isn't the place to turn to for that
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icedice
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nukke
icedice: I mean IRC channel :P
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icedice
Ah
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icedice
Well anyway, digitalFAQ Forum is the place to turn to for info on how to best digitize analogue media
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icedice
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icedice
You'll also need a good capture card
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icedice
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icedice
^ These + certain Pinnacle USB capture cards (710/510/700/500) are good for VHS, at least
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icedice
Though the Pinnacle ones vary depending on if it's NTSC or PAL you'll want to capture and which exact revision of the capture card you get your hands on
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icedice
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myself
I wonder if the Domesday86 folks would have recommendations, there are some serious analog-video nerds over there.
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fireonlive
-+rss- [recent, highly upvoted comments] goodoldneon in "Tesla Cybertruck deliveries halted for 7 days": Wonder if this is the reason:
x.com/garageklub/status/1779571445930324456 news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40040228
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fireonlive
wow that's fun lol
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fireonlive
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JAA
Toyota says hi.
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nulldata
Toyota - Moving Forward, Even When You Don't Want To (TM)
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nyany
Slogans that aged poorly
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nyany
Let's not forget Mazda's "zoom zoom"
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nyany
If that stupid jingle wasn't living rent free in your head, I suspect that it is now
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JAA
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myself
nyany: I passed a mazda the other day with the license plate "IGOZOOM" or something like that :) Always loved it. I once made a tiny Mazda sticker for my Olympus C2100UZ camera...
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angenieux
myself: A throwback article (and comments) about your camera that was interesting to me
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angenieux
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myself
angenieux: Yeah, I loved that camera. Standing here:
flickr.com/photos/myself248/42757448825 but seeing this:
flickr.com/photos/myself248/41852429580 was wild.
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yano
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fireonlive
yano: ah crap, thanks
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fireonlive
i have been putting that off... which i should never do :
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nukke
>Telegram recently patched a vulnerability in its Windows application that allowed execution of Python scripts remotely.
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fireonlive
:|
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fireonlive
nukke: wat
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nukke
fireonlive: >Telegram recently patched a vulnerability in its Windows application that allowed execution of Python scripts remotely.
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fireonlive
:|
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fireonlive
so much for best chat app
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joepie91|m
telegram has a long long history of shit security wrapped in overconfident statements about its security
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joepie91|m
do not ever trust telegram with anything you do not want to be published on some random darknet forum
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joepie91|m
and don't join dodgy groups with it :p
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fireonlive
i wish i could take telegram's UX and shove it up signal
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fireonlive
or something self-hosted
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icedice
<joepie91|m> telegram has a long long history of shit security wrapped in overconfident statements about its security
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icedice
That and the fact that the Russian government has had them backdoored for a while:
wired.com/story/the-kremlin-has-entered-the-chat
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icedice
Binance also bent over for the Russian government
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icedice
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icedice
Signal's CEO roasting Telegram:
archive.today/SIl9M
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fireonlive
i deffo don't use telegram π
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fireonlive
i wish something else had its UX/notification reliability tho
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fireonlive
:(
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fireonlive
i guess that's how they trap you
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icedice
<fireonlive> i wish something else had its UX/notification reliability tho
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icedice
Just use
simplex.chat for one on one conversations
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icedice
It's as secure and private as it gets
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icedice
No idea if it's good for group chat though
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fireonlive
i've been trialing that a bit, on iOS notifications are quite delayed sometimes but also it's a bit crashy atm (which... livable)
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fireonlive
but one bug which is maybe apple's fault? is autocorrected text sometimes gets left there? so you have extra letters in places o_O
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icedice
Session is decent on the privacy side, but kind of ass on the user interface and network speed side (since they proxy it via their own darknet) and SimpleX Chat is just better at everything anyway
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icedice
<fireonlive> i've been trialing that a bit, on iOS notifications are quite delayed sometimes but also it's a bit crashy atm (which... livable)
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fireonlive
kinda confused if simplex operates over tor completely or what though
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icedice
Glowies track you via push notifications
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icedice
So I always disable that on end-to-end encrypted messengers
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icedice
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icedice
<fireonlive> kinda confused if simplex operates over tor completely or what though
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icedice
It doesn't
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icedice
It has proxy settings that you can use to proxy its traffic via Tor though
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icedice
Or other proxy servers of your choice, probably
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icedice
So on Android you can either use Termux or Orbot for that
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fireonlive
ahh
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icedice
<joepie91|m> and don't join dodgy groups with it :p
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icedice
Where else am I going to find the conspiracy theorists that are too nutty for Facebook though?
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fireonlive
luckily i'm just in gay porn groups on my tg alt
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fireonlive
:3
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nukke
icedice: #archiveteam-ot
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nicolas17
I only ever used Telegram for similar purposes as Discord
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nicolas17
so idgaf about end to end encryption
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icedice
Already ahead of you nukke
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icedice
Check the channel lol
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nukke
I had to leave that channel. too many crazies
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nicolas17
he was answering "Where else am I going to find the conspiracy theorists that are too nutty for Facebook though?"
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icedice
Ah, I see
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icedice
I thought he said I was off-topic
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icedice
Kind of wild the shit that is sold on Telegram
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nukke
if gay pr0n talk isn't OT enough, then nothing is
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icedice
Telegram is the closest thing you'll get to a darknet market on the clearnet
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fireonlive
π
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icedice
I stumbled over a Telegram group that was selling US bank accounts and payment accounts for crypto, for example
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fireonlive
i think some sim swapping was happening over TG as well?
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icedice
Undoubtedly
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icedice
And sales of COVID-19 vaccines while there were still major shortages
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icedice
You have to be pretty nuts to trust a random shot over Telegram
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fireonlive
oh lord
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fireonlive
yeah no thanks lol
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fireonlive
new MSCHF drop, already sold out:
museumofforgeriespicasso.com
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joepie91|m
icedice: fyi every time I've looked into simplex I've run into dodgy shit
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joepie91|m
organizationally speaking
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joepie91|m
it smells
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joepie91|m
weird contradictory security claims, missing documentation, strange ideas on business models, dubious comparison claims
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joepie91|m
it's always something
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JAA
Re Firefox, did they yank the 125.0 release or something? I can't find it anywhere.
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JAA
Only 125.0.1
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fireonlive
hm, i only see 125.0b1-9 yeah
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fireonlive
but no actual 125.0
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JAA
Yeah, and no release notes for it either.
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fireonlive
and 125.0 canidates
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JAA
> Weβre still preparing the notes for this release, and will post them here when they are ready. Please check back later.
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fireonlive
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JAA
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fireonlive
weird
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icedice
<joepie91|m> weird contradictory security claims, missing documentation, strange ideas on business models, dubious comparison claims
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icedice
Fuck
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icedice
Are they glowing?
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fireonlive
interesting, 125.0 got indexed?
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fireonlive
but is now 404
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
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JAA
ΰ² _ΰ²
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icedice
joepie91|m: What would you recommend? Session?
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fireonlive
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icedice
I know Signal is good, but it's not anonymous
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fireonlive
techspot.com/downloads/19-mozilla-firefox.html seems to serve a file called 125.0 at least, but unsure if it's actually that
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nicolas17
icedice: push notifications can be end to end encrypted too
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joepie91|m
icedice: I don't have a certain read on simplex but I would tend towards "people who just overestimate their cluefulness regarding security"
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nicolas17
WhatsApp on iOS used to do an ugly hack where they sent a "silent" push notification with no message content, which woke up the app, the app downloaded the actual message from WhatsApp, decrypted it, and popped a local notification
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nukke
what is moxie up to nowadays?
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joepie91|m
I would not treat any messenger as anonymous unless routed through something like tor
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joepie91|m
(or unless it internally has a similar design that functions in the same manner, that works too)
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icedice
Session is routed through Lokinet which is essentially their own darknet
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nicolas17
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joepie91|m
ultimately routing information needs to be present to get messages from A to B and that is observable unless you take measures to statistically obscure it like tor does
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joepie91|m
as for lokinet, has this seen serious review by qualified folks yet?
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joepie91|m
oh lol, blockchains
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joepie91|m
that would be an immediate distrust from me
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JAA
fireonlive: I'd go ask them about it, but they shut down their IRC. :-(
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joepie91|m
like, I honestly don't even bother reviewing anything blockchain anymore. that entire industry runs on smoke and mirrors
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fireonlive
:(
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fireonlive
i forgot i have a chat.mozilla.org account, i'll ask in their developers chat
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icedice
<joepie91|m> as for lokinet, has this seen serious review by qualified folks yet?
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icedice
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icedice
Yeah, I don't like the blockchain bs either
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icedice
But there's not that many metadata resistant messengers out there
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fireonlive
JAA: "There was a major late breaking issue with 125.0 which made it unshippable. Due to downstream caching/CDNs, we cannot safely overwrite the files. Instead, we pulled 125.0 from that directory, and shipped a 125.0.1 with the fix instead."
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joepie91|m
> Lokinet always has supported stakeless relays, there has never been enough interest to bootstrap an opennet despite this. I consider the gripes about the lack of an opennet existing despite it being fully supported to be anecdotal evidence of altruistic models being inferior.
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joepie91|m
lmfao
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joepie91|m
yeah this goes onto my shitlist instantly
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joepie91|m
that one statement is basically an immediate signal to me that these people are not trustworthy
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JAA
fireonlive: Huh, thanks. It'd be good if that were, you know, mentioned somewhere...
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fireonlive
indeed
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JAA
The release notes of 125.0 would be a good place.
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joepie91|m
the reasoning for that: there are plenty of altruistically-operated networks that work just fine, and it is absurd to cherrypick the lack of a lokinet-flavoured one as "evidence" especially considering that that basically boils down to "we built an entire system according to capitalist principles and left a tiny amount of space for altruistic use, but nobody has wanted to do altruistic things for our capitalistic framework and therefore
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joepie91|m
altruism doesn't work"
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fireonlive
it won't go back in that directory but; "We keep all potential release builds in
archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/candidates for future purposes, and this one will stay there as well :)."
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joepie91|m
and if someone considers that any kind of sound reasoning I do not trust them to understand social or economic behaviour well enough to be trusted with other people's safety
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fireonlive
i mentioned i went looking for the release notes as well but didn't find it there
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icedice
There's Cwtch, but that one isn't audited
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joepie91|m
honestly. my recommendation from what I have seen would boil down to "use some standard low-trust messenger over Tor"
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nicolas17
they tried to do an altruistic network *in a blockchain community* and it failed?
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icedice
And Cwtch only uses Tor
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joepie91|m
nicolas17: judging from that comment, yes, that is exactly what they did
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JAA
Ah, didn't realise that re candidates; I guess the last candidate should usually be equal to the release then, which does make sense.
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icedice
By the way, every time I checked, Lokinet nodes used the same hosting provider, MVPS
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joepie91|m
or rather; what they expected others to do
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nicolas17
people willing to run stuff like tor nodes for altruistic purposes wouldn't get close to those kind of people
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joepie91|m
exactly
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fireonlive
=]
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joepie91|m
and like, I would understand if this led them to conclude "altruism isn't happening within lokinet", that would be a reasonable conclusion
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joepie91|m
but "evidence that altruistic models are inferior"? come the fuck on, lol
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JAA
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fireonlive
:D sweet
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fireonlive
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icedice
<joepie91|m> > Lokinet always has supported stakeless relays, there has never been enough interest to bootstrap an opennet despite this. I consider the gripes about the lack of an opennet existing despite it being fully supported to be anecdotal evidence of altruistic models being inferior.
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icedice
That's a major yikes
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fireonlive
o.o
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icedice
joepie91|m: What is your impression of Cwtch?
cwtch.im
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icedice
It's the last metadata resistant messaging app
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icedice
(The other two ones being SimpleX Chat and Session)
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joepie91|m
icedice: I have not reviewed its implementation but I *have* followed its development from a distance, and have seen no reason to be concerned in terms of trustworthiness of the developers or development process; they generally seem to have a solid grasp of what is needed. whether the implementation is sound is something I cannot meaningfully comment on
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joepie91|m
basically, it passes the sniff test
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joepie91|m
(unlike most things :p)
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joepie91|m
if I had to pick something metadata-resistant today, I would probably tend towards cwtch
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joepie91|m
maybe briar?
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joepie91|m
(which similarly I have not reviewed the implementation of, but I've seen nothing to inspire concern)
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icedice
<joepie91|m> maybe briar?
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icedice
Briar is the best end-to-end encrypted peer-to-peer messenger, but peer-to-peer messengers are worse when it comes to metadata privacy
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icedice
I don't remember the specifics, but that's the gist of it
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joepie91|m
that is not necessarily true, it depends on the design
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icedice
Then there's the issue that it's Android only
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icedice
There's Tox, but that development is a bit of a shitshow
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joepie91|m
you may be thinking of the issue of P2P things on the clearnet where senders are directly identifiable by IP to all recipients, because there's no server inbetween?
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icedice
And Jami which is P2P unless P2P isn't possible in which case it uses a centralized server, which makes the whole thing pointless
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joepie91|m
as that is not applicable for anything onion-routed
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icedice
<joepie91|m> you may be thinking of the issue of P2P things on the clearnet where senders are directly identifiable by IP to all recipients, because there's no server inbetween?
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icedice
I don't remember exactly tbh
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icedice
I think it was deeper than that
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icedice
I'll try and summon my last two brain cells and see if I can remember something more specific
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joepie91|m
if you can find the original argument I would be interested to hear more about it - because it sounds like a dubious claim to me but I also do not want to wholly rule it out without actually understanding the claim properly first :)
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joepie91|m
in case it is something I am not aware of
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nicolas17
What Is Your Threat Model
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icedice
joepie91|m: Found it:
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icedice
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icedice
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icedice
(Same document)
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icedice
<nicolas17> What Is Your Threat Model
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icedice
I want to avoid dragnet surveillance
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icedice
I don't expect any targeted surveillance
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nicolas17
what sensitive information do you want to protect from that surveillance?
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nicolas17
clearly not "everything" or you wouldn't be on IRC
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icedice
Some communications and my web surfing
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icedice
There's different degrees to that though
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icedice
Most of the surfing is just "don't let my ISP stockpile it"
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icedice
So Mullvad + LibreWolf / Cromite is fine for most of it
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icedice
And it also keeps the MAFIAA away while sailing the high seas
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icedice
Being untrackable on the Internet is a pipe dream anyway with Pure Signal Recon / Augury being available to anyone willing to pay for it though
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icedice
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icedice
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icedice
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icedice
And the NSA have their own thing going, of course
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joepie91|m
icedice: those 'arguments' are questionable at best
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joepie91|m
(the ones from simplex, against p2p services)
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joepie91|m
they make a lot of assumptions and this is very clearly written to make simplex look better, not to provide a genuine insight
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icedice
Yeah
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icedice
Makes sense
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joepie91|m
(one of the unspoken assumptions, for instance, is a 'globally routed' network where everyone is connected to everyone; several of the points do not apply when doing 1:1 messaging with trusted other parties for example)
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joepie91|m
likewise various points would not apply to friendnets
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joepie91|m
some assume clearnet
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joepie91|m
etc
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icedice
joepie91|m: There was one other encrypted messaging thing that I wanted to get your take on
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joepie91|m
and then there's the vague "no identifiers", which is a dubious claim to begin with (how does it get routed then?) and then makes a handwavy claim about how it is better for privacy in some conveniently unspecified way
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joepie91|m
and so on, and so forth
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joepie91|m
this is consistent with what I've seen from simplex before; they never quite finish their claims, they always leave parts implicit
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joepie91|m
(and that is a hallmark of snakeoil security)
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icedice
A XMPP server operator wrote on the now defunct PrivacyTools Forum years ago that you could make the end-to-end encryption worthless by putting the XMPP server in debugging mode and to only use XMPP server you run yourself because of that
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icedice
^ My memory of this is pretty foggy, but something along those lines
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joepie91|m
genuine technical analysis declares its assumptions explicitly and brings the analysis to a robust conclusion, leaving nothing implied that could be misconstrued
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icedice
I could never find the thread again via Wayback Machine
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icedice
I did remember who posted it though, so I guess I could try and contact her and ask
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joepie91|m
icedice: that sounds dubious to me, especially given that there is no "the end-to-end encryption" (there are several) and at least one of the options is implemented entirely external to the protocol itself (OTR)
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joepie91|m
if E2EE could be circumvented by "putting a server in debugging mode" then it was never genuine E2EE to begin with, because that is specifically meant to protect from malicious servers
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icedice
Yeah, my thoughts as well
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icedice
Maybe she was talking about IP logging and I'm somehow misremembering everything
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joepie91|m
so categorically, this claim is false; under some specific circumstances it may be true but then I'd want to see those circumstances defined in a verifiable manner :)
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icedice
But then again, I would assume IP logging is possible without any debug mode
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joepie91|m
yes
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joepie91|m
like, XMPP is an open protocol. "an XMPP server in debugging mode" is functionally indistinguishable from "an entirely custom XMPP server?
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joepie91|m
"*
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joepie91|m
so the mention of 'debugging mode' specifically, as if it is a hidden secret in one specific piece of software, makes me instantly skeptical
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nicolas17
someone doesn't understand what "end to end" means
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icedice
Again, this is all from my hazy memory of a forum thread I read years ago and can't find again
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icedice
So I would not be surprise if what I've said is not a fair recollection of her arguments
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icedice
But it is the best I can do
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icedice
Just be aware that I'm an unreliable narrator in this case
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joepie91|m
yeah understandable - I'm being rather absolutist here despite that just because I want to make sure that there are no misunderstandings :p
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joepie91|m
there is so incredibly much bad information floating around on this subject
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joepie91|m
so I don't intend to be judgmental, rather just to be unambiguous
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icedice
Yeah, I just wanted to point it out so that she doesn't get roasted because of my shitty memory
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joepie91|m
yeah fair :)
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icedice
By the way, what's your take on Matrix, Rocket.Chat, Revolt, and Fosscord
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icedice
iirc the last two don't have end-to-end encryption last time I checked
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icedice
And no mobile apps either
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joepie91|m
of these, Matrix is the only one I really have any time for given that it tries to do interoperability rather than being its own little island, but in practice it is held back by governance issues
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icedice
Matrix practically syncs all messages back to the Matrix.org home server since there's always at least one Matrix.org user in every chat room unless the home servers are defederated
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joepie91|m
(I'm involved in an early-stages project to fork Matrix as a protocol, actually, because of this)
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joepie91|m
so yeah my thoughts on Matrix are complicated
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icedice
Ok, nice
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joepie91|m
I think Matrix has lots of problems but approximately none of them are the things that XMPP people like to complain about
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icedice
It's a hard thing to accomplish
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joepie91|m
and imo Matrix gets a lot of flak for the wrong reasons, and not enough for the right reasons :)
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joepie91|m
but yeah, outside of niche messengers (like for example briar) I generally only really bother evaluating things that have a long-term future
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icedice
Yeah, understandable
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joepie91|m
things that are unlikely to be gone and replaced 10 years from now
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joepie91|m
very, very few messengers meet that bar, most of them are either outright VC-funded or technically aren't but copy their mechanisms and governance
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joepie91|m
and that means they are functionally disposable, attempts at gaining marketshare rather than 'solving messaging', ie. not worth my energy :)
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icedice
Yeah
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joepie91|m
I would say that Matrix had a lot of the right ideas here in terms of sustainability, but it eventually got caught in its own governance trap, it was trying to do things 'institutionally' but without really enough funding to do so
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icedice
The Mozilla trap
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joepie91|m
hence why I'm working on a protocol fork, taking the useful and good bits of Matrix and hopefully avoiding the bad bits
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joepie91|m
yeah
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joepie91|m
I mean, Mozilla is a bit weird
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joepie91|m
it originated from a company rather than a project, quite unusually
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icedice
Maybe try adding in native Tor support into the forked client
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joepie91|m
but Mozilla and Matrix do suffer from many similar issues
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icedice
From what I've heard using Matrix with Tor is a bit of a shitshow
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joepie91|m
well, it's a protocol fork, what the clients do is not the protocol's concern :p as long as it supports it
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icedice
Some clients it doesn't work on and the real IP is used instead
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icedice
Stuff like that
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joepie91|m
right, but that is not controlled by the protocol
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icedice
Right
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joepie91|m
the main focus is on more decentralized and less institutional governance
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joepie91|m
and thereby having much better representation of users and contributors and what they actually need
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joepie91|m
as that is what matrix governance is breaking on
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icedice
Ok
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joepie91|m
like, to put it bluntly, if you've ever used Matrix and were annoyed by something with it being a continuous problem or missing feature, the reason can probably be traced back to the governance issues
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katia
notification sound
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katia
The Improved Sound System Is Coming Soon
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icedice
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icedice
^ I figured I'd show you this
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icedice
A techie I know on Discord was excited about it
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icedice
It's too neckbeardy for my taste right now
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icedice
Plus having to register your own domain name for it is a bit of a turn-off
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joepie91|m
this looks like just a 1:1 messaging thing?
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joepie91|m
like, building a chat protocol is not in and of itself hard, there are a few specific things that are difficult to get right and I'm not seeing any indication of this doing any of them
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joepie91|m
hm. I'm not sure this is meant for a general audience to begin with
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» fireonlive writes matrix in blood on the mirror, then smashes mirror
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fireonlive
π
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
interesting
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icedice
joepie91|m: tbh, I fail to see much to get excited about in salty.im
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icedice
I figured it was just me who "didn't get it"
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Notrealname1234
omg why is everyone quitting
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icedice
Notrealname1234: Probably a netsplit
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Notrealname1234
okay
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icedice
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nulldata
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joepie91|m
icedice: yeah no, I agree - I don't see anything obviously bad about it, just also nothing especially interesting
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joepie91|m
I think this is just meant as a personal project, in which case it's... fine, honestly?
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icedice
Yeah
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icedice
Just odd how excited the guy seemed about it, acting like it would be the golden standard for private communications alongside SimpleX Chat
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nulldata
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Notrealname1234
do you all know a irc client that is on android works on hackint?
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nyany
Notrealname1234: Revolution
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nyany
You can also use IRCCloud and have it be cross platform
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Notrealname1234
thanks
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nulldata
I wish The Lounge would let me selectively ignore joins and leaves for a specific nick lol
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Notrealname1234
thanks
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Notrealname1234
thanks for finding the irc client
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Notrealname1234
better setup the one for wikipedia
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Notrealname1234
i edit there if you want to know
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Notrealname1234
also, because of this, i might be active 24/7 now
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Notrealname1234
IRCCloud is paid
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nulldata
Notrealname1234 - it might be better to setup something like The Lounge. Otherwise you're going to be spamming everyone more than you do now with join/leave lol. The Android client is going to do reconnects everytime you have spotty reception
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Notrealname1234
dang it, what do i do
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Notrealname1234
nulldata
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Notrealname1234
im not gonna setup the lounge because that requires a server
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icedice
<Notrealname1234> IRCCloud is paid
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icedice
Nah, freemium
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icedice
You get two IRC networks + IRCCloud's own IRC network for free
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icedice
So it's enough for hackint and Wikipedia
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nukke
irccloud has a network?!
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JAA
> Stay connected for 2 hours while inactive
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JAA
lol
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nukke
also irccloud's client has emoji reactions
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icedice
"2 IRC connections
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icedice
(other than irc.irccloud.com)"
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icedice
Seems like it
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icedice
But yeah, not a great free plan
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icedice
The Lounge or Convos would be better
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fireonlive
time to setup a server :p
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Notrealname1234
nuh uh
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Notrealname1234
i wont setup a server
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JAA
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Notrealname1234
i need something thats a android app
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
x3
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JAA
You're not going to get a stable IRC connection from a mobile device without some kind of intermediate host (bouncer or hosted IRC client).
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Notrealname1234
The Lounge requires self hosting which i can't do
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JAA
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JAA
:-)
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fireonlive
xD
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Notrealname1234
JAA says: "buh-bye"
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Notrealname1234
still, i need something thats an Android app
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fireonlive
irccloud is probably the closest you'll get
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JAA
Notrealname1234: I believe there are some places where you can get a free bouncer, but I have no experience with them. But yes, you'll need some sort of server or a hosted service like IRCCloud. IRC is 35 years old and doesn't work well with mobile devices on unstable connections.
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fireonlive
you'll just disconnect less often
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JAA
Maaaybe IRCv3 will eventually solve the problem, but who knows.
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fireonlive
ergo has a built in bouncer always online nick thingy but... it's still early days (only one server, no 'network')
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Notrealname1234
still will be on this app
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icedice
Use a free bouncer
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icedice
Just don't get shocked if they don't care about your privacy
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icedice
I'd assume they log what they can
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Notrealname1234
nuh uh
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Notrealname1234
yeah im leaving
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icedice
Can't help lazy
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nyany
heh
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icedice
tbh, we should probably just have told him to use the Matrix bridge
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nyany
but that requires an ~account~
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myself
meh, I just threw TheLounge on a raspi on a shelf next to my wifi router, ain't hard. I'm a software idiot and it took me less than an hour.