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OrIdow6
So I should be returning to normal activity levels soon - if there is anything I was supposed to get back to anyone on (except sonick), and I have forgotten, please let me know
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OrIdow6
Soon meaning around now
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OrIdow6
Though away for a few h in the immediate term
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lennier1
Steam is apparently removing the ability to rollback to old versions of games:
pcgamesn.com/steam/beta-rollback-update
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lennier1
Currently in beta, so not sure when it will be required.
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lennier1
Steam has a mix of free to play and paid games.
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lennier1
Not sure if there's any good automation for downloading old game builds. I played around with it before, but it was pretty fiddly.
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Jake
from what I understand, you need to own the game to download the old builds? (Best chance would be the SteamDB people who have a semi-sizeable set of keys on an account, but I doubt they'd want to publish it)
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lennier1
Definitely true for paid games, what about free to play?
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lennier1
I do have a lot of games. Not sure if there are any download limits, definitely never tried to install everything at once.
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Jake
I imagine you'd still need to hit install to 'own' it first?
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lennier1
You might need to add it to an account, sure.
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lennier1
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lennier1
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lennier1
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Jake
Honestly, I think the best idea would be to contact the steamdb guy and try to get him to send something over to the archive. He seems to have compiled quite the archive already.
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lennier1
The manifest files are just metadata, right?
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Jake
I believe so?
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lennier1
Depotdownloader is easy enough to use, though if you download multiple manifests it will overwrite the old ones by default (you can specify a download location).
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lennier1
I needed to give an account to download a free to play game, but didn't need to do anything to add it to my account, so I do think you could make some throwaway accounts and script mass downloading builds of any free games.
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lennier1
You need to check steamdb to get the manifest IDs.
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lennier1
As an example, downloading the oldest Windows build of Brawlhalla: DepotDownloader.exe -app 291550 -depot 291551 -manifest 6492858552396319232 -user yourusername -password yourpassword
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wickedplayer494
Jake: xPaw has already reached out to Jason on Twitter
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wickedplayer494
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Political parties/Germany (+5620):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47186&oldid=43109
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Political parties/Germany (+1417):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47187&oldid=47186
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gazorpazorp
Are the political parties' sites archived after being added to the wiki? Is there a point in adding parties from smaller countries?
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JAA
gazorpazorp: I'm collecting everything at the moment and will archive them later through AB. I'm doing this because there are elections in Germany today.
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gazorpazorp
So would adding the parties of, say, Bulgaria, be useful?
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JAA
Yeah, it would. Especially so when the next elections take place, but I wouldn't mind archiving them in general either.
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gazorpazorp
Cool, thanks :)
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist created Elections/2021 German Bundestag election (+408, Created page with "== Bundeswahlleiter == *…):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Electio…021%20German%20Bundestag%20election
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist created Elections/2021 September Swiss votes (+4969, Created page with "== Federal votes == *…):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Electio…ns/2021%20September%20Swiss%20votes
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Elections/2021 September Swiss votes (+667):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47190&oldid=47189
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gazorpazorp
In Bulgaria there are many different coalitions forming and disbanding every election. I honestly can't keep track of them, so I will include both a coalition (which is sometimes formed as a political party before the elections, but sometimes it's a coalition of parties that have already been voted in) and the separate parties that comprise it. Is that OK?
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h2ibot
Gazorpazorp created Political parties/Bulgaria (+11742, Initial list of all the parties I could find):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Political%20parties/Bulgaria
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Political parties/Germany (+684):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47192&oldid=47187
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Elections/2021 German Bundestag election (+209):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47193&oldid=47188
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JAA
gazorpazorp: Yeah, that's fine. I've done similar things before, although I don't remember which country that was. Politics are a mess, so these collections are bound to also be a mess.
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gazorpazorp
I wish there was a site that showed political party formation, merging and renaming like this
cyberciti.biz/tips/wp-content/uploa…6/44218-linuxdistrotimeline-7.2.png
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gazorpazorp
At least since we care about archiving, it's not so bad to include defunct parties (which could still technically exist, but don't participate in elections) since it's a part of history
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gazorpazorp
Is there anything else to do that would benefit from the fact that I'm from a country no one else is from in AT? Local stuff, etc
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gazorpazorp
wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/Governments_on_YouTube This includes "political parties" as well, so is there a point in copying all the YouTube links from the "Political parties/Bulgaria" there, or could I just add official channels of government, ministries, departments to the page and just link to the "Political parties/Bulgaria" for the political party channels? Otherwise we would need to keep both lists up to date -
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gazorpazorp
if someone adds a political party to one of the 2 wiki pages, they'd probably not add it to the other one
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JAA
Yeah, no point in duplicating information. Ideally, we'd have a page like
wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Governments/Kyrgyzstan for all countries.
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JAA
But a lot of those are still in the old structure under
wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot/Governments
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JAA
The bot that kept those tables updated etc. broke a long time ago, and I was working on a replacement but haven't had time to finish that yet.
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gazorpazorp
So can I make "Governments/Bulgaria" to list the government pages (including official YouTube links), then link to "Governments/Bulgaria" and to the "Political Parties/Bulgaria" from the "Governments on YouTube"?
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JAA
Yep, that sounds good to me.
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gazorpazorp
Should I include official municipality/city government pages as well?
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JAA
Sure. I'd suggest structuring the page by level then, i.e. having a section 'Federal', one 'State' or 'District' or whatever the appropriate word in Bulgaria is (with subsections for each state/district/...), and one for municipalities.
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gazorpazorp
Got it, thanks!
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Jake
wickedplayer494: ah, great. Doesn't look like they talked at all, but that would be a good outcome here.; lennier1: sure, but if someone already has all of the data compiled, it seems kind of silly to do it all over again? (Unless we are doing it in WARC or another format that would be more helpful)
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gazorpazorp
Would it be useful to indicate which official government sites don't support TLS/HTTPS? To my surprise none of the 3 biggest courts in Bulgaria support it. Maybe I could just add "http-only" or "https not supported" or "TLS not supported" or something like that after the links?
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gazorpazorp
For the wiki, that is
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JAA
gazorpazorp: Can't think of any value in that. I just put the HTTP URL in the list for those.
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gazorpazorp
What if the HTTPS version is different? The Ministry of Culture's HTTPS version redirects to an Outlook login page for me.
mc.government.bg mc.government.bg
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JAA
Fun. Two entries, I'd say.
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JAA
I'm using the syntax '* URL | note = foobar' to make notes. That's from that bot I mentioned and may change in the future, but that way it's easy to change to whatever the future format will be (probably something involving a template).
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gazorpazorp
I saw a few pages with [
example.com Example Site]
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gazorpazorp
and have been formatting the links that way
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JAA
That's a label for the link, not a note.
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JAA
I.e. that would be a clickable 'Example Site' link pointing to example.com.
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gazorpazorp
I don't understand how the note syntax works together with the link syntax
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gazorpazorp
is "URL" in your example the whole [http://... site name] part?
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JAA
By note I mean stuff like 'No longer exists as of 2021-09-26' or 'Outlook login form as of 2021-09-26'.
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JAA
I only put the URL itself there.
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gazorpazorp
I see, I'll find some wiki pages to see it in action
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JAA
I think there was also some syntax to put the label in a structured way, but '[URL label]' works fine.
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gazorpazorp
I'll continue to use [URL label] and if I have to change the syntax, it will be a fun exercise for learning awk or sed or whatever
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JAA
Yup, that's fine. And yes, that will be a lot of fun.
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JAA
I'm really looking forward to it. :-)
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gazorpazorp
In addition to the official site of a ministry and it's Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, should I include the RSS link as well? It's always on the same site, like URL/feed or URL/rss
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JAA
That's not needed, I think.
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lennier1
Jake: I do think it would be useful to get a list of app/depot/manifest IDs from them, and I'd encourage uploading the manifest files themselves to IA. But I was suggesting going beyond metadata and backing up the actual game data from Steam. Is there interest in something like a project to download every build of every free game? (I guess paid games would be outside the scope of Archive Team?)
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lennier1
Looks like that would be 15,234 games, at least that are currently listed:
store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_DESC&maxprice=free
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Jake
Sure, I think every single build might be a ton of space though, like CSGO for example, has a ton of builds, all of which have a 20GB depot in it. I'm totally down to look into this, in fact, I think we should do it, depending on a lot of specifics.
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lennier1
I think you could cut down on file size quite a bit if you de-duped different builds of the same game. A lot of updates might change the executable while leaving the assets the same. Then compress what was left.
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h2ibot
Gazorpazorp created Governments/Bulgaria (+8706, Initial list of ministries, agencies, etc.):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?title=Governments/Bulgaria
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h2ibot
Gazorpazorp edited Governments on YouTube (+211, Add links to wiki pages for Bulgarian…):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47195&oldid=43583
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Governments on YouTube (-122, /* Bulgaria */ Replace full links with in-wiki…):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47196&oldid=47195
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gazorpazorp
Didn't know about in-wiki links, sorry
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Political parties/Switzerland (+257, Add RH):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47197&oldid=45541
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h2ibot
Ryz edited University Web Hosting (+925, Added "Stanford University" entry):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=47198&oldid=47181
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h2ibot
JustAnotherArchivist edited Elections/2021 September Swiss votes (+1550):
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