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pabs
from elsewhere "The TWiT podcast network is closing their office recording studio due to rising costs and lowering revenue. They are going to an office-less model too."
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pabs
might be worth looking at if someone has time
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thuban
gross, their rss feeds only go back like ten episodes
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thuban
i can scrape asset urls from apple podcasts, but not tonight
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Specular
Was there any independent archiving effort for Abload.de? I see there's a wiki article about it but no mention of such. Only learned it was taken offline today and that retroactively all images on existing archive.org crawls became blank due to the exclusion.
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Specular
(tbh not sure how such an effort would have even worked seeing as all images had custom filenames and archive.org has no search index for finding asset URLs)
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flashfire42|m
Domain filtered
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Specular
flashfire42|m, hmm?
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nulldata
pabs - Yeah it's been posted before, however, there was a question regarding it that hasn't been answered. A few months ago someone was trying to archive TWiT but supposedly IA told them to stop due to copyright, even though the license seems to permit.
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nulldata
05/01/2024 10:16 PM <BenFranske> Does anyone have any information on what "RIghts issue" the Internet Archive has in making old copies of the twit.tv podcasts available? All I can get from them is "we don't comment on rights issues" even though these are all released under a CC license... I was working on archiving everything TWiT has published and
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nulldata
got to about 7500 episodes
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nulldata
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nulldata
It's possible it could have been a troll that contacted IA to claim copyright as there are a number of trolls that seem to surround TWiT. However it could have just as well been Leo being Leo.
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OrIdow6
Doranwen: You may have said this before but thoughts on fanfiction.net? Seems like it's in an advanced state of administrative decay, see previously today\
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OrIdow6
Any non-AT coverage?
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yarrow
nulldata: I salute your effort! I was just looking into this myself
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yarrow
It might be worth emailing Leo/TWiT to clear up the rights issue
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yarrow
actually maybe it was BenFranske's effort I meant to salute
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imer
but you cant just take back the license?
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yarrow
true, but I don't know to what extent Creative Commons licenses have been tested in court
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Specular
It couldn't just be that IA wanted a reason to stop the mass uploading? As I remember a post by Jason Scott staffer on Reddit mentioning they didn't want to just be a mirror for Youtube (in the context of some users mass uploading entire channels).
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c3manu
yarrow: i feel trying to email them could also easily backfire.
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yarrow
Well, if the IA is rejecting uploads, can it get any worse?
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c3manu
Specular: i don't think that's the case with Twit. like 5000 hours of my favourite streamers' VODs in HD are the problem. that's orders of magnitude above audio files
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Specular
ah, wasn't sure if they were the podcast vids or audio
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c3manu
which, in addition, seem to be actively threatened to disappear
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c3manu
ah, good point. i don't actually now if they have video recordings as well. only know them from actual podcast (meaning audio files downloaded via RSS feeds :))
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yarrow
they have video too
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yarrow
601 episodes here, 11 years' worth:
youtube.com/ThisWeekinTech
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yarrow
plus they have many shows
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c3manu
yeah right. i was just checking democracy now, for which they don't seem to upload full episodes in video
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c3manu
still a good amount though
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c3manu
i take my answer back then. i could imagine they have different standards for "just in case" VOD backups and threatened content, but i don't actually know
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Flashfire42
I think the issues were that people were just using tubeup on any random bullshit and also giant amounts
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c3manu
Flashfire42: that's what it sounded like in the talk i heard it from
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c3manu
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yarrow
If someone contacts Leo about the TWiT stuff and he says "fuck off", then we're just back where we started (where we are now). If he gives his blessing, then maybe the IA will let the audio be archived.
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yarrow
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yarrow
People are a bit out of whack when it comes to archiving video vs. audio. E.g., people will archive a YouTube channel of a podcast where it's just still image videos of the podcast but NOT archive the audio of the podcast.
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OrIdow6
Wonder if you could do "parity" on videos
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c3manu
all i see of reddit these days is "whoa there, partner" and then i usually just close it (:
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OrIdow6
Where you take some set of, say, 10 videos, assume that at most one is going to be deleted/messed up/whatever, and make a parity copy that combined with the rest can restore it
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OrIdow6
But in a way that's resistant to reencoding rather than bitwise
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yarrow
In the video c3manu linked, Jason said IA is mirror basically every podcast. I can only guess this refers to arkiver ingesting RSS feeds into the Wayback Machine?
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yarrow
*mirroring
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Specular
Resistant to transcoding would I guess need some kind of visual hash. Though for strict file-based parity PAR2 format is something usable.
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OrIdow6
I don't think strict file continuity can be expected (tho there are certainly others who have more experience with Youtube than I do on this)
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OrIdow6
Binary
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c3manu
yarrow: there's probably plenty of people uploading podcasts to the internet archive
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yarrow
I've uploaded about 160 so far, all completely manually, and so far I've only found a handful that were already on there when I checked
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yarrow
People who are really obsessed with amateur digital archiving and data hoarding don't seem to be podcast superfans and podcast superfans generally don't know anything about amateur digital archiving
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Specular
tbf there's not always a crossover of (local) hoarding and public archiving
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Specular
would also be nice if IA had a way to hide an uploader's email publicly, for privacy
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murb
Specular: would probably make more work in dealing with abuse.
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Specular
not on IA's end I meant just so it's not visible to website visitors (unless I'm missing some abuse scenario?)
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Specular
though in the current implementation it's hard coded in the meta file so wouldn't really be some switch that could be retroactively changed without destructive edits
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OrIdow6
I like being able to contact the person if necessary
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OrIdow6
Also prevents account name changes from causing confusion
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c3manu
Specular: you're using your private email address for accounts like that? :)
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c3manu
yarrow: well, podcasts can be saved on two ends. there's IA directly, and there's the WBM. and i know ther URLs project (#//) is fetching a good bunch of feeds regularly
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c3manu
it can also make sense to keep things locally and only upload them once they disappear from the web
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yarrow
Nobody seems to be doing that, either. The podcasts just disappear and no one steps up to share them or upload them to archive.org
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yarrow
It's weird how obsessed people are with preserving anime, video games, live music, etc. There is an odd vacuum of enthusiasm or effort for podcasts, as far as I have been able to see
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yarrow
The Wayback Machine sucking down RSS feeds + mp3s is good for strict archiving but absolutely terrible for access
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fireonlive
(in either case, IA should make it abundantly clear, imo)
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Harzilein
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» Harzilein has been having a friendly "get a reddit account to cleanse your ip" message for the last month when accessing (old-)reddit with lynx through his dedicated hetzner server :/
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yarrow
Here's a mirror of that Reddit thread if you can't access Reddit:
archive.ph/00pWP
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yarrow
fireonlive: make what clear?
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fireonlive
if you upload to IA your email will be published
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fireonlive
(so use an email you don't mind being such)
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Harzilein
yarrow: already checked through wayback machine were both the reddit link and the oldreddit variant are already present. funny enough availability api didn't find the archived version, had to go through a searx instance and click "cached".
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Specular
I think the issue is some aren't aware of this to begin with (at least with some I've spoken with)
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yarrow
oh yeah, IA should totally warn you before you upload anything that you're about to doxx your email
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fireonlive
indeed
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yarrow
99% of people who upload probably aren't aware and it's insane there's no warning
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yarrow
dunno if anyone knows anyone at IA who could fix that
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c3manu
probably want to ask in #internetarchive then
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kpcyrd
where can I look up the email?
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kpcyrd
also, does it update on my old uploads if I change the email on my account later?
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c3manu
kpcyrd: when you open an item an click "SHOW ALL" on the right, you can see it in the _meta.xml
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c3manu
or when you edit an item you uploaded, you see it in the "uploader" field
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c3manu
it does not seem like you can edit it
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kpcyrd
c3manu: thanks!
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kpcyrd
and "oh no /o\"
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kpcyrd
I don't think that flies in EU
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JAA
If you change it, you have to email info@ to get it fixed on previously uploaded items IIRC.
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-43, /* Not yet archived */):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52720&oldid=52719
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-61, /* Not yet archived */):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52723&oldid=52722
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
Exorcism edited Mailman/2 (-51, /* Not yet archived */):
wiki.archiveteam.org/?diff=52726&oldid=52725
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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kpcyrd
I meant to do something else today, but instead I documented the "leaks your email" with an osint module that goes through archive.org uploads and records every email of every upload 🤷
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kpcyrd
(pacman -S sn0int || brew install sn0int) && sn0int pkg install kpcyrd/archive-org && sn0int add account archive.org some_user_name && sn0int run kpcyrd/archive-org && sn0int select emails
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kpcyrd
archiving the archiver archive
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h2ibot
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h2ibot
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Vokun
Is telegram infinite? It's been >300M todo for like half a year
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c3manu
probably not, but it doesn't stand still either :)
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BornOn420
@Vokun definitely finite, but so are our resources
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BornOn420
And it's been over 100M for half a year, the > 300M is like 6 weeks?
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h2ibot
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katia
Trump shot, perhaps worth archiving
youtube.com/watch?v=-C2RyORyX0U and related live tv coverage things? cc fireonlive that_lurker
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fireonlive
oh what
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fireonlive
yeah
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BornOn420
Initially I thought trump had shot someone
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fireonlive
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BornOn420
that's serious
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that_lurker
saving chat and video, but a second grab is good always :-P
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katia
that_lurker++
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eggdrop
[karma] 'that_lurker' now has 13 karma!
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katia
<3
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fireonlive
i've already seen a meme about it
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that_lurker
how could you miss meme?