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nicolas17
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
'en-zz', interesting
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kiska
Wonderful, I had to clutch start my car :(
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fireonlive
kiska: :/
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
the ISO might steal all your bitcoin and mail your gay porn to your church tho ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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fireonlive
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steering
why is the internet so bad
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steering
99% spammers and people whose business models are reliant on hosting spammers
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nicolas17
and genAI making the spam more efficient
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steering
nobody wants it, not even the people hosting it nor the people sending it
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steering
nobody reads it, there's way too much
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Notrealname1234
because the internet allows you to do anything you want, including scams
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nicolas17
google is kept alive by ad fraud and click bots
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JAA
Because it's profitable enough to be worthwhile.
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steering
for the people hosting it? yes. for the people sending it? i honestly find that dubious.
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steering
my biggest problem is that there are invariably like 10 links in the chain who *could* do something about it, several of which don't even directly profit form it, but they *won't* do anyhting about it...
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nicolas17
a few companies significantly reduced their ad spending triggered by the pandemic
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steering
but hey we have can-spam so we're good, we don't need to take any legislative action against it \o/
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nicolas17
and they realized that they got negligible effect on actual revenue
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nicolas17
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steering
i was looking at $work's emailer account earlier today, we hvae like a 5% open rate
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steering
wonder how much money we spend on the person who writes the emails etc, plus my time setting up dns records and making sure we don't get shitlisted and can't send even transactional/person-to-person emails anymore
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steering
we almost certainly don't make as much money from it as we spend on it
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fireonlive
5% lmao
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steering
and like im not saying we aren't particularly bad at email marketing (we are)
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fireonlive
i do wonder what the average is, i can't imagine it's that high
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steering
but when's the last time you put your email in somewhere and didn't promptly get 2-3 emails and then another email every week...
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» fireonlive 👀 $clothingretailer
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fireonlive
somehow the same specials keep being a limited time offer
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steering
and if you *don't* allow images then even the people sending you important transactional emails will show you a popup every time you log in and ask you every time oyu call in "hey is your email still right? you haven't opened any emails from us"
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steering
(*looks at discover and statefarm*)
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Notrealname1234
roleplaying i see
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JAA
I like the ones that ask you at signup/purchase time whether you want to receive the newsletter, you don't check the box, and then they send it to you anyway.
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fireonlive
thank you canada's CASL laws
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fireonlive
:3
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fireonlive
confirm-opt-in required
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JAA
Oh, it's required by law here as well. Doesn't mean they care.
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steering
JAA: oh you mean like work
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steering
(i actually dont know if we have a box but we definitely do send to everyone)
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steering
also if you ever talk to a salesperson or see us at a show
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fireonlive
:c
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JAA
I send an angry email to everyone doing this. I hope you get a lot of angry emails.
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JAA
(What I really hope is that whoever makes those decisions slips and falls onto a cactus.)
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steering
JAA: same and same
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steering
I spend a loooooot of time trying to keep my inbox sane enough that I can... actually find the emails I care about
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steering
using a different address almost everywhere, firing off nastygrams to the involved abuse@ and the company themselves, blocking senders, blocking to addresses, clicking spam
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steering
the latest one is @vxunderground -> virus.exchange -> spam from substack
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JAA
:-(
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steering
abuse⊙sc (and/or postmaster@) replies with a nice email from zendesk telling you to fill out a ticket online
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Notrealname1234
Virus?
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fireonlive
vx pls :(
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steering
^
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steering
thankfully with google's new sending requirements -> our provider (klaviyo) made us switch to using our own domain as envelope -> our reputation has tanked and our spam rate has skyrocketed
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steering
so i might actually be able to convince mgmt to change things
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Notrealname1234
Sadge moment
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nicolas17
urgh
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fireonlive
i feel conflicted on this but
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fireonlive
Google++
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fireonlive
?
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eggdrop
[karma] 'Google' now has -1 karma!
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steering
yes, howeber
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steering
Google--
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eggdrop
[karma] 'Google' now has -2 karma!
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nicolas17
steering: klaviyo uses kmail-lists.com
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nicolas17
and then KDE gets people complaining about spam because people google kmail and end up finding KDE's email client
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steering
since they enable emails so senders can already track you but then dont give senders any real signals of spam
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steering
nicolas17: loooooooooool but haven't seen that domain anywhere afaik, maybe they stopped?
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fireonlive
nicolas17: lordy lol
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steering
p sure the "shared" envelope senders was like klaviyomail.com or smth
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fireonlive
steering: true
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steering
see if i can find an old one...
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steering
>via ksd3.klaviyomail.com
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steering
< steering> since they enable emails <-- images*