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» Doranwen is ready to tear her hair out trying to find a guide for her specific case - migrating from legacy boot on one comp to uefi on another...
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Doranwen
Everything's either migrate uefi to uefi, or convert in place.
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Doranwen
Do such guides actually exist?
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Notrealname1234
Yes, a guide for everything exists
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fireonlive
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Doranwen
Would've been helpful if they'd actually said *where* to find such a guide, because my searches aren't turning it up. :P
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fireonlive
hmm, migrate in place and then move hdd maybe? or configure new pc to legacy boot
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Doranwen
I can't actually migrate in place because the clone of that drive won't boot - GPT with legacy boot and the BIOS is complaining about it
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Doranwen
I've no idea *how* the original drive booted all this time, then - and it's just about dead
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Doranwen
I've got a good clone that's relatively recent, and a more-or-less complete backup file-wise that's VERY recent, but which won't work for booting - and neither one do I want to risk in trying to set up this system over again
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Doranwen
Was going to try copying existing partitions on the clone but I need to set up the uefi stuff right on the new disk
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Doranwen
The swap partition's plenty big so if I have to make it a bit smaller to compensate for lost space, that's not an issue
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Doranwen
But exactly *how* to do this process I'm not quite sure
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Doranwen
I've got it booted off a live DVD (not the OS I've been using, but it's got gparted and was close at hand so I used that) with the new (blank) drive in the tower and the good clone connected via a docking station, and I'm scratching my head trying to figure out the next step
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Doranwen
And the hdd that's in the tower and what was used was 4TB, most of it all one partition, so legacy boot isn't an option as far as I can tell…
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Doranwen
If I have to, I'll install the OS afresh but I really don't want to go through the process of having to install every bit of software I had set up and everything… if there's *any* way to avoid that I want to take it
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nyany
Considering the time and effort you've already expended attempting to avoid a fresh install, perhaps you really should consider this as the more viable alternative
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thuban
Doranwen: what distro do you use again? most package managers should be able to export/import a list of installed packages
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Doranwen
I can't boot the OS at all to do anything with it because of the GPT/legacy boot combo that it didn't like
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thuban
(obvs if you have a lot of locally-built or otherwise non-package-managed stuff this won't work that well, but)
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Doranwen
And this is - you're going to think I'm crazy - a Mint 13 system, lol
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» Doranwen has good reasons for keeping one around
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Doranwen
I'd migrate a lot of my work on it to a VM but I have IDJC set up and configured on there and everyone in the family likes listening to my station and I cannot make IDJC work in a VM no matter what I've tried
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Doranwen
(The main reason for using it in the first place was due to a font - yes, a font - that worked perfectly on Mint 13 and on every other OS and version after that the line spacing was completely messed up - of course, that font was what I used for a TON of materials I created and sell online, and was not about to go change them all. Hence using Mint 13 for that purpose. IDJC happened there because I didn't need the sound for anything on
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Doranwen
that system and it sort of knocks everything else out, using JACK.)
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Doranwen
nyany: But shouldn't there be a way to just copy the partitions over? At this point it would still take less time than setting everything up, hoping I've remembered all the installed programs, etc.
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Doranwen
The question is exactly how to set up the partitions and run something to point to the right spot so that it'll launch the OS.
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nyany
Well, I'll leave this with you in case you do change your mind late
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nyany
r
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nyany
sudo apt list --installed
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nyany
returns a list of all packages that have been installed using apt/apt-get
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Notrealname1234
might wanna update them all too
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Doranwen
How do I run that when I can't boot the OS?
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nyany
oh right, you're up shit creek
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nyany
hm
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Doranwen
I cloned it with ddrescue, but the clone is GPT with legacy boot, and I have no idea how it worked on the original drive because the clone absolutely won't boot, gives the error message about that
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Doranwen
This comp *can* do UEFI fine, I got it in probably 2016 or so
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nyany
does the clone boot on the current machine or are you attempting to move it to another machine
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Doranwen
I don't think I set it up myself
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Doranwen
Iirc someone who got me the tower did the initial install
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Doranwen
No, the clone doesn't boot because it complains that it's GPT-formatted and can't boot legacy
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nyany
Can you not simply enable legacy boot or is that defeating the true purpose of your intentions
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Doranwen
It's set to legacy boot
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Doranwen
It doesn't like that the partition table is gpt
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Doranwen
And won't go any further
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Doranwen
I never get any screens besides that error msg
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Notrealname1234
Restore hard drive
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thuban
Doranwen: i'm a little confused by your description of the situation.
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Doranwen
Original hdd is basically dying/dead, I thought I could just plug a clone (made with ddrescue) in and it would boot, but it is giving me this error msg
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thuban
do you have a new hard drive you want to partition, and a clone of the old hard drive off which you want to get the data? or are you trying to repartition the clone of the old drive?
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Doranwen
So I bought a new hard drive
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Doranwen
And *that* is what's in the tower now, that I need to partition
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Doranwen
And copy the data partition off the clone onto it
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thuban
ok
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Doranwen
And make it UEFI this time so it won't have fits
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Doranwen
Instead of trying to do legacy boot with a GPT hdd (that's 4TB, so gpt necessary)
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thuban
partition the new drive just like you would for a fresh install (including your efi system partition), then instead of doing a fresh install copy the root partition from the clone to the root partition of your new drive
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Doranwen
It's got one single data partition that's most of the drive, a swap one that's like 16 gigs or so, and of course the bios-grub one that isn't working
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Doranwen
I don't remember why it didn't get a separate / from /home but it doesn't, they're all one partition
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Doranwen
(Again, I did not set this up originally, so)
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Doranwen
Will try that
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Doranwen
It sounds simple, I was just getting overwhelmed by the complicatedness of the situation
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thuban
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Doranwen
All the guides suggest separate / and /home partitions, and I do *not* have that to work with, though - do I just set the one partition to be / and it'll automatically find /home where it should be?
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Doranwen
I assumed I could just use GParted to copy the partition
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Doranwen
…except this one's weird, there's no way to set an EFI system partition up :P
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thuban
if you want you can create separate /home and / partitions, then copy home to the new /home and everything else to /, but if you do this you need to do your copy at the filesystem level, not the block level (ie not using gparted)
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thuban
separating /home is a matter of taste for desktops imo, different distros have different conventions (i've never bothered)
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Doranwen
Aha, scrolling down one of the secondary answers has a solution for that
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Doranwen
Nah, separating /home and / isn't super important for this one - it's never going to be upgraded in place.
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Doranwen
If I ever abandon it and go to a new OS/version, I'll extra back up everything and start from scratch
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thuban
i'm not sure what you mean by "there's no way to set an EFI system partition up"
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Doranwen
The guide I was looking at had a way to just pick it from a dropdown
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Doranwen
That this doesn't have - but the guide you linked does have - a little ways down - specifics on how to create the partition a bit more manually
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Doranwen
Says to format it as fat32 and manage flags to boot and esp
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» Doranwen has never had to create one outside of a distro installer which has the option in a dropdown, lol
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Doranwen
Or at least, if I have, I don't remember it
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thuban
that's not on the page i linked ?_?
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» Doranwen clearly doesn't do this enough to remember
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thuban
but it is correct
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Doranwen
Oh wait, it's not
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Doranwen
Sorry, wrong page
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Doranwen
I thought it was yours
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Doranwen
No, I did a search for how to set one up, forgot I had
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Doranwen
Does it actually matter which order the data and swap are in?
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thuban
no
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Doranwen
I didn't think so
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Doranwen
Thank you - it's copying over and finishing the formatting, I'm hopeful
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Doranwen
It'll take a few hours to finish that
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Doranwen
I'll go back to work on Yahoo Groups, lol
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» Doranwen would like that done and uploaded *before* those drives start to fail, even if she *does* have backups
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thuban
note that the efi system partition you've just created is empty, so you'll need to actually put a bootloader in it
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Doranwen
Right, I was just trying to figure out how to do that
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Doranwen
whether I need the live disc for the corresponding OS to do it from, or whether the current live disc can be used to do it from
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
>‘AI Instagram Influencers’ Are Stealing Women’s Bodies
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Doranwen
…I'm having a hard time finding a guide that makes sense to me - most seem to be talking about dual-boot situations, adding boot options to an existing working system, etc.
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Doranwen
oof
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Doranwen
not surprised, but yeah
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Doranwen
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
i saw one about a dental clinic doing this
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fireonlive
but huh
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fireonlive
apparently it's happening in drive-thrus in the US as well; you get AI order takers, then someone overseas takes over if it gets confused/etc
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fireonlive
(though this is a real person)
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thuban
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thuban
(since you've booted from a live disc, you want to make sure you change to the install on your filesystem before installing the bootloader, to reduce potential issues--the page you linked mentions this briefly, but only in the troubleshooting section and without adequately explaining it)
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fireonlive
why is the meeting ID and password right on the register 🤦
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nyany
🙄
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thuban
nb: i have never been in this specific situation, cannot guarantee compatibility, etc etc. since you have a copy of your old filesystem, if all else fails you can ask the package manager (on a live disc or a fresh install) what you had installed on it
unix.stackexchange.com/questions/58…tore-the-list-of-installed-packages
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fireonlive
when you typo `mdir` instead of `mkdir` and have no idea what the fuck you're looking at for a second
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fireonlive
Can't open /dev/fd0: No such file or directory
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fireonlive
Cannot initialize 'A:'
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fireonlive
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nicolas17
fireonlive: what do you get if you typo 'sl' instead of 'ls'?
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fireonlive
$ sl
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fireonlive
zsh: command not found: sl
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fireonlive
sadly no fun
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nicolas17
you need to install sl then
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nicolas17
distros should install it by default smh
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fireonlive
i think one did but people got buttmad
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fireonlive
could be wrong though!
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
Google Vids
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nicolas17
> beagle, shibainu, quetzal, frigate, turaco, kakapo, cockatoo, puffin
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nicolas17
these are codenames
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nicolas17
what could be the next one in the list?
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nicolas17
I'm looking through birds on wikipedia trying to figure it out (and it takes me 10000 HTTP requests to see if it's correct... assuming it's even deployed already)
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fireonlive
hmmm
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nulldata
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imer
tukaani-project/xz 77a294d > The other maintainer suddenly disappeared.
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imer
:D
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nyany
hm, i wonder why
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f_
nyany: I also wonder why.
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JAA
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point.
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f_
JAA: Meh.
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nulldata
3 hosts of one of the affected SBNation podcasts did a live stream giving some information on what's going on.
youtube.com/watch?v=0aAWensLaYo
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nukke
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FireFly
oh yeah, it really is
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» JAA likes space-twitter.com in particular.
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steering
i can't believe there was no one involved in that process who pointed out what a stupid idea it was.
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steering
then again, if they had they probably would've been fired for hurting someone's ego..
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nulldata
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nulldata
Another whistleblower from the same plant that the one who was suicided worked at
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fireonlive
THANKS
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fireonlive
-Jia Tan
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fireonlive
👏🏻
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Notrealname1234
what
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
nulldata: wonder if this whistleblower will "commit suicide"
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nicolas17
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
on SoS
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fireonlive
nicolas17: awesome haha
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
boooo microsoft
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nyany
lol
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nicolas17
oh I found the codename btw
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nicolas17
> beagle, shibainu, quetzal, frigate, turaco, kakapo, cockatoo, puffin
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nicolas17
the next one is peacock
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» nicolas17 preemptively bonks fire_onlive
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Notrealname1234
Peacock but remove pea
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» nicolas17 bonks Notrealname1234
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Notrealname1234
Coc-
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fireonlive
nicolas17: 😵💫
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fireonlive
:P
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nulldata
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fireonlive
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fireonlive
>Alert retention
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fireonlive
>Alerts are retained in the alert center for approximately 10 years.
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fireonlive
>Note: Starting in April, 2024, the retention period for alerts will be 6 months.
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fireonlive
"oof ouchie my storage usage" ~ google these days
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nulldata
Google's trying to find lost storage in the couch cushions
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fireonlive
haha yes
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Notrealname1234
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fireonlive
🥺
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kiska
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fireonlive
:(
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nyany
kiska: damn that's hot
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nyany
imagine all the por - i mean imPORtant archiving stuff i could store on there
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kiska
:D
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nulldata
imPORtaNt*
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Notrealname1234
important is what you say dummy
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nulldata
It's a lot of storage for Linux ISOs.
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fireonlive
nyany: droves of gay pornogrpahic material
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fireonlive
😸
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fireonlive
backup .+tube when